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  • S stackprogramer
    23 Feb 2017, 06:49

    @jsulm i have cpu corei5, i want to when main thread is busy, itshould be work(main thread is usded for receiving big data upd socket............),but som times it is not busy,

    when data is not received, i only used one core for processing my Qthread, it is slow,i can not use in more optimization way of my cpu cores.......
    i lost other core cpu in that time......................

    @JKSH

    1. i run RunHardAlgorithm() in a signal udp data received, after that data is buffered in class upd i run RunHardAlgorithm().....................

    2)MyComputationThread ,......
    i run in a timer ........
    3)i measure seconds..................

    thanks

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    jsulm
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    wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 06:57 last edited by
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    @stackprogramer Sorry I don't understand what you're writing. Sounds like you're doing multi-threading in a wrong way.
    You should read https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/how-to-really-truly-use-qthreads-the-full-explanation/

    https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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      stackprogramer
      wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:04 last edited by stackprogramer
      #6

      @jslum sorry i am in hurry
      i saw this links
      How To Really, Truly Use QThreads; The Full Explanation

      http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/

      http://www.bogotobogo.com/Qt/Qt5_QThreads_Creating_Threads.php

      http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/

      https://github.com/fabienpn/simple-qt-thread-example

      https://john.nachtimwald.com/2015/05/02/effective-threading-using-qt/

      but my problem has so complication algorithm, i need a effective way. any way thanks very much

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      • J jsulm
        23 Feb 2017, 06:57

        @stackprogramer Sorry I don't understand what you're writing. Sounds like you're doing multi-threading in a wrong way.
        You should read https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/how-to-really-truly-use-qthreads-the-full-explanation/

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        J.Hilk
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        wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:08 last edited by
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        @jsulm

        I think the issue here is not with QThread

        @stackprogramer wants his program to use more than 1 CPU core for each thread to make the most out of the available hardware

        Mulitthread != Multicore


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        • J J.Hilk
          23 Feb 2017, 07:08

          @jsulm

          I think the issue here is not with QThread

          @stackprogramer wants his program to use more than 1 CPU core for each thread to make the most out of the available hardware

          Mulitthread != Multicore

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          jsulm
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          wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:11 last edited by
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          @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

          use more than 1 CPU core for each thread

          This is not possible. A thread can only run on one CPU at given time. If you want to utilize 4 cores you need at least 4 threads.

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            stackprogramer
            wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:15 last edited by stackprogramer
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            @J-Hilk @jsulm thanks for attention
            i think i should switch to multicorre like cuda gpu programming or a same tools.
            thread is good but it is not Excellent for my problem.
            any way thanks ,best regards stackprogramer

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            • S stackprogramer
              23 Feb 2017, 06:49

              @jsulm i have cpu corei5, i want to when main thread is busy, itshould be work(main thread is usded for receiving big data upd socket............),but som times it is not busy,

              when data is not received, i only used one core for processing my Qthread, it is slow,i can not use in more optimization way of my cpu cores.......
              i lost other core cpu in that time......................

              @JKSH

              1. i run RunHardAlgorithm() in a signal udp data received, after that data is buffered in class upd i run RunHardAlgorithm().....................

              2)MyComputationThread ,......
              i run in a timer ........
              3)i measure seconds..................

              thanks

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              JKSH
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              wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:25 last edited by
              #10

              @stackprogramer said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

              @JKSH

              1. i run RunHardAlgorithm() in a signal udp data received, after that data is buffered in class upd i run RunHardAlgorithm().....................

              2)MyComputationThread ,......
              i run in a timer ........
              3)i measure seconds..................

              Sorry, your descriptions are unclear... please post your code.

              @stackprogramer said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

              i think i should switch to multicorre like cuda gpu programming or a same tools.
              thread is good but it is not Excellent for my problem.

              Do you mean you want to do parallel computing? What is the name of your algorithm?

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              • S stackprogramer
                23 Feb 2017, 07:15

                @J-Hilk @jsulm thanks for attention
                i think i should switch to multicorre like cuda gpu programming or a same tools.
                thread is good but it is not Excellent for my problem.
                any way thanks ,best regards stackprogramer

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                wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:34 last edited by
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                @stackprogramer

                You can always break it up "manually"

                QList<int> lInt;
                
                int cnt = QThread::idealThreadCount();
                
                if(cnt > 1){
                  int size = lInt.size()/cnt;
                   for(int i = 0; i < cnt; i++){
                      QList<int> newlInt = lInt.mid(size*i,size);
                      QtConcurrent::run(this, &MyClass::RunHardAlgorithm, newlInt);
                   }
                }else{
                   QtConcurrent::run(this, &MyClass::RunHardAlgorithm, lInt);
                }
                

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                • S stackprogramer
                  23 Feb 2017, 07:04

                  @jslum sorry i am in hurry
                  i saw this links
                  How To Really, Truly Use QThreads; The Full Explanation

                  http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/

                  http://www.bogotobogo.com/Qt/Qt5_QThreads_Creating_Threads.php

                  http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/

                  https://github.com/fabienpn/simple-qt-thread-example

                  https://john.nachtimwald.com/2015/05/02/effective-threading-using-qt/

                  but my problem has so complication algorithm, i need a effective way. any way thanks very much

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                  kshegunov
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                  wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:34 last edited by kshegunov
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                  From what I was able to grasp from your explanation it seems to me you need to parallelize your algorithm rather. However this depends on what your calculation does, and making a sequential computation a parallel one is a big universe; there's no one approach to help with that, and there's no easy fix by just using a class or w/e. As @JKSH said, you need to post your code, so we can examine it and provide a constructive suggestion.

                  @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                  Mulitthread != Multicore

                  For most cases that's not true. The only distinction between the two can be made if one considers the memory - if it's shared or distributed, and even then the argument is rather weak. @jsulm makes a good point, that a thread can be executed only on a single core and a core can execute a single thread at any one time.

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                  • K kshegunov
                    23 Feb 2017, 07:34

                    From what I was able to grasp from your explanation it seems to me you need to parallelize your algorithm rather. However this depends on what your calculation does, and making a sequential computation a parallel one is a big universe; there's no one approach to help with that, and there's no easy fix by just using a class or w/e. As @JKSH said, you need to post your code, so we can examine it and provide a constructive suggestion.

                    @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                    Mulitthread != Multicore

                    For most cases that's not true. The only distinction between the two can be made if one considers the memory - if it's shared or distributed, and even then the argument is rather weak. @jsulm makes a good point, that a thread can be executed only on a single core and a core can execute a single thread at any one time.

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                    wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:50 last edited by
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                    @kshegunov said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                    @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                    Mulitthread != Multicore

                    For most cases that's not true. The only distinction between the two can be made if one considers the memory - if it's shared or distributed, and even then the argument is rather weak.

                    What I tried to say was, that one does not a necessarily implicate the other.

                    You can have multiple threads that are handled from a single core.
                    Also, creating a new thread, its also not automaticaly assured that its handled from a different core as well, I believe that is handled by the OS and the current CPU-load?


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                    • J J.Hilk
                      23 Feb 2017, 07:50

                      @kshegunov said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                      @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                      Mulitthread != Multicore

                      For most cases that's not true. The only distinction between the two can be made if one considers the memory - if it's shared or distributed, and even then the argument is rather weak.

                      What I tried to say was, that one does not a necessarily implicate the other.

                      You can have multiple threads that are handled from a single core.
                      Also, creating a new thread, its also not automaticaly assured that its handled from a different core as well, I believe that is handled by the OS and the current CPU-load?

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                      wrote on 23 Feb 2017, 07:57 last edited by kshegunov
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                      @J.Hilk said in Why when I use QThread in Qt is slower from a simple Qt main program?:

                      What I tried to say was, that one does not a necessarily implicate the other.

                      I'm arguing they're one and the same. :)

                      You can have multiple threads that are handled from a single core

                      Yes, by means of context switching.

                      Also, creating a new thread, its also not automaticaly assured that its handled from a different core as well, I believe that is handled by the OS and the current CPU-load?

                      What core executes what thread at a given time slice is handled by the OS, yes. The actual implementation is in the OS' scheduler.

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