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    mzimmers
    wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 17:22 last edited by
    #18

    Not directly related to the thread, but I've stumbled across an issue that I've been wondering about.

    I'm running on a Mac platform. The code that Zap posted above won't work unless I move my QML file into the resource for the binary. I don't like to do this, because 1) it's a minor hassle, and 2) it seems like a maintenance issue that I don't need.

    Does Qt have any hooks for setting a default directory, or putting a prefix on files to direct them to somewhere else? I'm trying to avoid any hard-coding here, though some may be necessary.

    I did find this thread:
    "thread on setSource":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/656

    Which seems related, but not quite the answer.

    Any advice on how to handle this?

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      ZapB
      wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 17:27 last edited by
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      I don't have a Mac to test on, but it should work. Just be sure to correctly specify the path to the qml file. Either via an absolute path or via a path relative to the location of your application executable (see docs for QDir).

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        mzimmers
        wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:00 last edited by
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        Decisions, decisions. An absolute pathname, and I bet it won't port to other platforms. Relative pathnames seem weird here, too.

        I don't suppose Qt supplies a pathname for the project, does it? I can't see how it could, but that would solve the problem.

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          giesbert
          wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:03 last edited by
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          What you can do is ionstall the file besides you exe and use QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath()

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            mzimmers
            wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:09 last edited by
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            What you can do is ionstall the file besides you exe and use QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath()

            True, but then the QML file is out of the source structure. I'm trying to preserve a separation between source files (of all kinds) and makefile output. It seems like good CM practice if nothing else. I guess I'm probably stuck with the relative pathnames, huh?

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              giesbert
              wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:11 last edited by
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              Typically, you design the app so it will work on target machines with installed files, not with developer structures. Make it part of the makefile to copy the file to the out dir?

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                mzimmers
                wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:18 last edited by
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                Now THAT'S a good idea, and will obviate the issue completely. But...makefiles are automatically generated, right? How can I do this in such a way that will survive blowing away the makefile and regenerating it?

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                  giesbert
                  wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:19 last edited by
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                  read the qmake docs. I'm sure there is some possibility, but I never needed that :-)

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                    mzimmers
                    wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:47 last edited by
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                    But...it's not really a qmake function, is it? Because this special behavior should survive the makefile. Is there a way to do this in the project file?

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                      giesbert
                      wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 18:57 last edited by
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                      but the *.pro files are described in the qmake "documentation":http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qmake-manual.html

                      "lmgtfy":http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=qmake+adding+copy

                      e.g. "this page":http://paulf.free.fr/undocumented_qmake.html

                      or this on "stackoverflow":http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3984104/qmake-how-to-copy-a-file-to-the-output

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                        ZapB
                        wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 19:08 last edited by
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                        You can do this by defining a custom target in your .pro file. Something like this will do it:

                        @
                        myresources.path = $$(MY_INSTALL_ROOT)/resources
                        myresources.files = myqmlfile.qml

                        INSTALLS += target myresources
                        @

                        The above depends upon the environment variable $MY_INSTALL_ROOT being set. However, this hardcodes the install path.

                        Instead, it is better to get rid of the $$(MY_INSTALL_ROOT) part of the path and use the DESTDIR feature of make to specify your installation root:

                        @make DESTDIR=/my/installation/path install@

                        That separates the install path from your project files.

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                          mzimmers
                          wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 19:48 last edited by
                          #29

                          Sorry if I seem a little slow on the uptake here -- I'm coping with multiple unfamiliar concepts. It's been over 20 years since I've used makefiles, and I'm still trying to figure out project files, qmake, QDir and other stuff.

                          Zap: I like the way your approach looks. I can't find anything on DESTDIR in the docs, though. It's not clear to me how this approach obviates the hardcoding issue; it seems to just postpone it. Obviously I'm not understanding the whole thing.

                          Thanks.

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                            goetz
                            wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 20:11 last edited by
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                            First: Go with the Resource directory in the application bundle. That's the expected path on OS X. One should not change those things only when it is absolutely necessary.

                            qmake has support for adding additional files to the bundle:

                            @
                            APP_QML_FILES.files = path/to/file1.qml path/to/file2.qml
                            APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
                            QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
                            @

                            This installes the files to YourFancyApplication.app/Contents/Resources - just where it belongs on OS X :)

                            EDIT: Some more background links in the new "wiki article":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Resource_files_in_OS_X_bundle

                            http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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                              mzimmers
                              wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 20:15 last edited by
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                              Thanks, Volker. I realize that files should be in the application bundle, and I wasn't suggesting to do it a different way. In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering what that bundle looks like when copied to a PC. I'm hoping it's a directory.

                              Do I correctly assume the path/to refers to the path to the source code? Or is that the target?

                              EDIT:

                              I tried it two ways:
                              @APP_QML_FILES.files = ./DemodShaperFilter.qml
                              APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
                              QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
                              @

                              and:
                              @APP_QML_FILES.files = DemodShaperFilter.qml
                              APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
                              QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
                              @

                              Neither put the file into the Resources folder. It appears that the path is required, which surprises me, because I figured that the .pro file would use its own directory as the default.

                              So now, the question is: is there some slick way to derive the current path from an environment variable or something, and plug it into the .pro file automatically?

                              I'm not pursuing this level of automation out of laziness; it's more a matter of having one less thing to remember when stuff gets changed.

                              Thanks.

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                                goetz
                                wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 20:45 last edited by
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                                [quote author="mzimmers" date="1301602502"]Thanks, Volker. I realize that files should be in the application bundle, and I wasn't suggesting to do it a different way. In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering what that bundle looks like when copied to a PC. I'm hoping it's a directory.

                                Do I correctly assume the path/to refers to the path to the source code? Or is that the target?[/quote]

                                Thats the path of the source. The target path (relative to the bundle) is in the second line.

                                If you just care about copying the Mac bundle to a windows box, then you're right, it is nothing more than an ordinary directory. On the Mac command line you just "cd" into it, like into every other directory. It's just the Finder that displays the bundle differently and if you call "open myprogram.app" on the command line, it does not open Finder (like for directories) but launches the application.

                                Regarding deployment on Windows, that's a different beast. You'll probably consider using an installer to put everything in place. You find some hints on windows installers in "this thread":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4498

                                http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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                                  mzimmers
                                  wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 20:50 last edited by
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                                  Volker: you posted about the same time I edited my last post, so I'm not sure if you saw my new comments/questions?

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                                    goetz
                                    wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 21:21 last edited by
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                                    The path is relative to the location of your .pro file.

                                    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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                                      mzimmers
                                      wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 21:25 last edited by
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                                      Hmm...well, then it should have worked, no?

                                      What totally obvious thing am I overlooking? I could post the entire .pro file if that would help.

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                                        goetz
                                        wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 21:38 last edited by
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                                        Yep, it should have worked. Is the QML file in a subdirectory?

                                        You can try with a test file like this:

                                        @
                                        APP_QML_FILES.files = Makefile
                                        APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
                                        QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
                                        @

                                        Not that a Makefile in the Resources is very useful, but it serves well for demonstration purposes :-)

                                        For another test, you could add the absolute path to the QML to APP_QML_FILES.files.

                                        And as a third guess, do you use shadow builds?

                                        http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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                                          mzimmers
                                          wrote on 31 Mar 2011, 21:45 last edited by
                                          #37

                                          QML file is in same directory as .pro file.

                                          Regarding adding the absolute path: I'll re-ask my question of whether there's a way to do it symbolically. Otherwise, it doesn't really solve the problem.

                                          Shadow builds: I have a parallel directory to my source, called NNN-build-desktop. That's where all my built files go to live. Is that a shadow build, and if so, is it a bad thing, and if so, how do I do something else?

                                          Thanks.

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