A few design questions...

mzimmers

OK, I'll start on that in a bit. A couple of questions:

does using QML mean that I'm no longer using my widget.ui file, or do they work together?
regarding QML: I think I may have mentioned that later this year I'll need to design a genuine GUI (for products based on the ASIC that I'm currently simulating). Is QML appropriate for applications like that as well? I ask now, because I'd like to choose one method of implementation and stick with it for both the simulator and the product GUI.

Thanks!

andre

1: depends on your design. If you use a QML file for your whole UI, yes. Otherwise, the QML view is just a part of your UI design, and one that would be part of the actual .ui file.

2: to decide that, you need to tell us about the criteria, and even then it is hard for us to advise you on that. QML may be a candidate, but...

mzimmers

Thanks, Andre. Tell you what: I'll spend today playing with QML and doing some reading.

Regarding the upcoming product GUI: think of how you configure a home DSL modem, except we (probably) won't be using a browser to reach the embedded application.

I'll be back later with (I'm sure) some questions.

ZapB

QML or a QWidget based GUI will work fine for that. Depends how much you want in the way of animations or how much you would like it to look native on your target platform. Having said that QML can be made to look native and we may see some native looking QML components coming out in the course of the coming year.

mzimmers

Not directly related to the thread, but I've stumbled across an issue that I've been wondering about.

I'm running on a Mac platform. The code that Zap posted above won't work unless I move my QML file into the resource for the binary. I don't like to do this, because 1) it's a minor hassle, and 2) it seems like a maintenance issue that I don't need.

Does Qt have any hooks for setting a default directory, or putting a prefix on files to direct them to somewhere else? I'm trying to avoid any hard-coding here, though some may be necessary.

I did find this thread:
"thread on setSource":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/656

Which seems related, but not quite the answer.

Any advice on how to handle this?

ZapB

I don't have a Mac to test on, but it should work. Just be sure to correctly specify the path to the qml file. Either via an absolute path or via a path relative to the location of your application executable (see docs for QDir).

mzimmers

Decisions, decisions. An absolute pathname, and I bet it won't port to other platforms. Relative pathnames seem weird here, too.

I don't suppose Qt supplies a pathname for the project, does it? I can't see how it could, but that would solve the problem.

giesbert

What you can do is ionstall the file besides you exe and use QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath()

mzimmers

What you can do is ionstall the file besides you exe and use QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath()

True, but then the QML file is out of the source structure. I'm trying to preserve a separation between source files (of all kinds) and makefile output. It seems like good CM practice if nothing else. I guess I'm probably stuck with the relative pathnames, huh?

giesbert

Typically, you design the app so it will work on target machines with installed files, not with developer structures. Make it part of the makefile to copy the file to the out dir?

mzimmers

Now THAT'S a good idea, and will obviate the issue completely. But...makefiles are automatically generated, right? How can I do this in such a way that will survive blowing away the makefile and regenerating it?

giesbert

read the qmake docs. I'm sure there is some possibility, but I never needed that :-)

mzimmers

But...it's not really a qmake function, is it? Because this special behavior should survive the makefile. Is there a way to do this in the project file?

giesbert

but the *.pro files are described in the qmake "documentation":http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qmake-manual.html

"lmgtfy":http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=qmake+adding+copy

e.g. "this page":http://paulf.free.fr/undocumented_qmake.html

or this on "stackoverflow":http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3984104/qmake-how-to-copy-a-file-to-the-output

ZapB

You can do this by defining a custom target in your .pro file. Something like this will do it:

@
myresources.path = $$(MY_INSTALL_ROOT)/resources
myresources.files = myqmlfile.qml

INSTALLS += target myresources
@

The above depends upon the environment variable $MY_INSTALL_ROOT being set. However, this hardcodes the install path.

Instead, it is better to get rid of the $$(MY_INSTALL_ROOT) part of the path and use the DESTDIR feature of make to specify your installation root:

@make DESTDIR=/my/installation/path install@

That separates the install path from your project files.

mzimmers

Sorry if I seem a little slow on the uptake here -- I'm coping with multiple unfamiliar concepts. It's been over 20 years since I've used makefiles, and I'm still trying to figure out project files, qmake, QDir and other stuff.

Zap: I like the way your approach looks. I can't find anything on DESTDIR in the docs, though. It's not clear to me how this approach obviates the hardcoding issue; it seems to just postpone it. Obviously I'm not understanding the whole thing.

Thanks.

goetz

First: Go with the Resource directory in the application bundle. That's the expected path on OS X. One should not change those things only when it is absolutely necessary.

qmake has support for adding additional files to the bundle:

@
APP_QML_FILES.files = path/to/file1.qml path/to/file2.qml
APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
@

This installes the files to YourFancyApplication.app/Contents/Resources - just where it belongs on OS X :)

EDIT: Some more background links in the new "wiki article":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Resource_files_in_OS_X_bundle

mzimmers

Thanks, Volker. I realize that files should be in the application bundle, and I wasn't suggesting to do it a different way. In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering what that bundle looks like when copied to a PC. I'm hoping it's a directory.

Do I correctly assume the path/to refers to the path to the source code? Or is that the target?

EDIT:

I tried it two ways:
@APP_QML_FILES.files = ./DemodShaperFilter.qml
APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
@

and:
@APP_QML_FILES.files = DemodShaperFilter.qml
APP_QML_FILES.path = Contents/Resources
QMAKE_BUNDLE_DATA += APP_QML_FILES
@

Neither put the file into the Resources folder. It appears that the path is required, which surprises me, because I figured that the .pro file would use its own directory as the default.

So now, the question is: is there some slick way to derive the current path from an environment variable or something, and plug it into the .pro file automatically?

I'm not pursuing this level of automation out of laziness; it's more a matter of having one less thing to remember when stuff gets changed.

Thanks.

goetz

[quote author="mzimmers" date="1301602502"]Thanks, Volker. I realize that files should be in the application bundle, and I wasn't suggesting to do it a different way. In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering what that bundle looks like when copied to a PC. I'm hoping it's a directory.

Do I correctly assume the path/to refers to the path to the source code? Or is that the target?[/quote]

Thats the path of the source. The target path (relative to the bundle) is in the second line.

If you just care about copying the Mac bundle to a windows box, then you're right, it is nothing more than an ordinary directory. On the Mac command line you just "cd" into it, like into every other directory. It's just the Finder that displays the bundle differently and if you call "open myprogram.app" on the command line, it does not open Finder (like for directories) but launches the application.

Regarding deployment on Windows, that's a different beast. You'll probably consider using an installer to put everything in place. You find some hints on windows installers in "this thread":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4498

mzimmers

Volker: you posted about the same time I edited my last post, so I'm not sure if you saw my new comments/questions?