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Annabelle · J JKSH 1 Oct 2018, 23:42

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

Nothing yet. I couldn't even install the current version of Visual Studio Community unless I update Microsoft.net Framework, and even that is risky for fear of breaking screenreader accessibility. That was part of the thing that got me in trouble to where I had to restore my machine. I don't want to have to do that again!

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 15:49

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

The latest version of Visual C++ Redistributable that my machine can run without broken accessibility is 2015. I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Annabelle · wrote on 13 Oct 2018, 15:31

@JKSH I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials. A blind guy who contacted me via Email a few days ago, who says he's not even a programmer, told me about something he referred to as "Tab Stops". These are, from what he explained, parameters that one can get to by pressing the Tab and Shift+Tab keys. According to his explanation, a tab stop is like a place marker in a window that can be reached with the tab key. Some applications have the field name and
data for their tab stops in a different order than the actual
controls, which means that when we tab around, we end up activating
unintended things. Where do I search for how to program those? In regards to gender-specific text replacement, this same guy told me about something he called "Verbal Analytics". In his explanation regarding this parameter, he says that there are databases that analyze writing statistically; they indicate
which words are used, how they are used, how most sentences in the
piece of writing are constructed, etc. Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

JKSH · 13 Oct 2018, 16:40

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Do you mean https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ ? That's just Microsoft's way of encouraging people to use the latest version (2017). Are you willing to create an account to get Visual Studio 2015?

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials.

The tutorial is for learning the basics of C++. Accessibility features, tab stops, and verbal analytics are a lot more advanced, so they are not in that tutorial.

Please focus on learning the basics first, before you move on to advanced topics. This will take time: A few weeks, at the very least.

"Verbal Analytics".

...

Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

No, I was talking about something much simplier called string manipulation. Verbal analytics is a sophisticated mathematical/statistical analysis technique. You don't need this to generate gender-specific text.

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 18:47

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Do you mean https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ ? That's just Microsoft's way of encouraging people to use the latest version (2017). Are you willing to create an account to get Visual Studio 2015?

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials.

The tutorial is for learning the basics of C++. Accessibility features, tab stops, and verbal analytics are a lot more advanced, so they are not in that tutorial.

Please focus on learning the basics first, before you move on to advanced topics. This will take time: A few weeks, at the very least.

"Verbal Analytics".

...

Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

No, I was talking about something much simplier called string manipulation. Verbal analytics is a sophisticated mathematical/statistical analysis technique. You don't need this to generate gender-specific text.

Is creating an account at that link something where I would have to give them any personally identifyable information like credit card numbers? If not, I'm absolutely willing to create an account to access older downloads.

JonB · 13 Oct 2018, 20:08

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 21:47

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

JKSH · 13 Oct 2018, 22:53

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

Go to https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ and click "Download" in the Visual Studio 2015 section.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 00:09

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

Go to https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ and click "Download" in the Visual Studio 2015 section.

I tried that, but unfortunately it gave me the 2017 version instead. I wonder if there's a direct link to the 2015 version.

kenchan · 14 Oct 2018, 02:04

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/

if you look lower down the page there is a link for downloading the 2015 version too.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 03:59

@kenchan said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/

if you look lower down the page there is a link for downloading the 2015 version too.

I can't find it. My screenreader shows a link that says "Free Download", but it's the 2017 version.

kenchan · 14 Oct 2018, 13:47

@Annabelle
Well I don't know what it looks like in a screen reader but there is a link called 'Expand All' when that is expanded there is a button to click for downloading.

It will ask you for your Microsoft login details. You have to be a member of the Visual Studio Subscription site, you can sign up for free and get the free stuff after that.
I think they are only giving access to old stuff through this site.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 14:41

@kenchan said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
Well I don't know what it looks like in a screen reader but there is a link called 'Expand All' when that is expanded there is a button to click for downloading.

It will ask you for your Microsoft login details. You have to be a member of the Visual Studio Subscription site, you can sign up for free and get the free stuff after that.
I think they are only giving access to old stuff through this site.

I did that, but still nothing.

JonB · 14 Oct 2018, 19:38

@Annabelle
Hi. We cannot say about screen-reader access, but I think the direct link for the VS2015 download is

https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual studio 2015&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads

It will still make you log into your MS account to access it, but hopefully that route will work for you.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 20:02

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
Hi. We cannot say about screen-reader access, but I think the direct link for the VS2015 download is

https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual studio 2015&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads

It will still make you log into your MS account to access it, but hopefully that route will work for you.

Now that I've got Visual Studio Community 2015 installed, what do I do next?

JKSH · 14 Oct 2018, 20:21

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Now that I've got Visual Studio Community 2015 installed, what do I do next?

Great! Just to double-check: During installation, did you select the option for C++ development?

Your next step is to start making your way through the tutorials, starting from Chapter 0. Sections 0.1 to 0.5 provide introductory knowledge; section 0.6 "Installing an Integrated Development Environment" talks about installing Visual Studio (which you have already done); section 0.7 "Compiling your first program" is where the really important stuff begins. Make sure you follow the instructions carefully!

Annabelle · 23 Oct 2018, 16:20

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Now that I've got Visual Studio Community 2015 installed, what do I do next?

Great! Just to double-check: During installation, did you select the option for C++ development?

Your next step is to start making your way through the tutorials, starting from Chapter 0. Sections 0.1 to 0.5 provide introductory knowledge; section 0.6 "Installing an Integrated Development Environment" talks about installing Visual Studio (which you have already done); section 0.7 "Compiling your first program" is where the really important stuff begins. Make sure you follow the instructions carefully!

It didn't give me that option in the initial installation. I had to run it again and press Enter on the "Modify" button, and then check the checkboxes next to the appropriate options for programming language components. The one I couldn't find was "C++ Development". I did, however, find "Visual C++". Is that the one you mean? Also, it installed, in addition to Visual Studio 2015, two programs with which I'm not familiar. Microsoft Silverlight, and Microsoft Expression. What do these programs do? Are they necessary components for running Visual Studio Community? If not, is there a way to safely uninstall them without taking away from Visual Studio Community? Also, this new installation has caused my machine to take a little more time between the Windows Logon screen and JAWS starting up. What's up with that, I wonder?

JKSH · 24 Oct 2018, 02:10

Sorry for the late reply.

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

It didn't give me that option in the initial installation. I had to run it again and press Enter on the "Modify" button, and then check the checkboxes next to the appropriate options for programming language components. The one I couldn't find was "C++ Development". I did, however, find "Visual C++". Is that the one you mean?

Yes, that's the one I meant. Install "Visual C++" so that you can build C++ programs.

Also, it installed, in addition to Visual Studio 2015, two programs with which I'm not familiar. Microsoft Silverlight, and Microsoft Expression. What do these programs do? Are they necessary components for running Visual Studio Community?

Microsoft Silverlight is a technology to create rich interactive websites, similar to Adobe Flash. However, both Silverlight and Flash have fallen out of favour these days.

Microsoft Expression is a program to edit HTML documents.

Neither component is necessary to run Visual Studio Community.

If not, is there a way to safely uninstall them without taking away from Visual Studio Community?

If you click the "Modify" button again, are you able to uncheck the checkboxes for Silverlight and Expression?

Also, this new installation has caused my machine to take a little more time between the Windows Logon screen and JAWS starting up. What's up with that, I wonder?

I'm not sure. None of the Visual Studio components run at startup so they shouldn't have any impact on startup time.

Annabelle · 24 Oct 2018, 22:22

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

Sorry for the late reply.

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

It didn't give me that option in the initial installation. I had to run it again and press Enter on the "Modify" button, and then check the checkboxes next to the appropriate options for programming language components. The one I couldn't find was "C++ Development". I did, however, find "Visual C++". Is that the one you mean?

Yes, that's the one I meant. Install "Visual C++" so that you can build C++ programs.

Also, it installed, in addition to Visual Studio 2015, two programs with which I'm not familiar. Microsoft Silverlight, and Microsoft Expression. What do these programs do? Are they necessary components for running Visual Studio Community?

Microsoft Silverlight is a technology to create rich interactive websites, similar to Adobe Flash. However, both Silverlight and Flash have fallen out of favour these days.

Microsoft Expression is a program to edit HTML documents.

Neither component is necessary to run Visual Studio Community.

If not, is there a way to safely uninstall them without taking away from Visual Studio Community?

If you click the "Modify" button again, are you able to uncheck the checkboxes for Silverlight and Expression?

Also, this new installation has caused my machine to take a little more time between the Windows Logon screen and JAWS starting up. What's up with that, I wonder?

I'm not sure. None of the Visual Studio components run at startup so they shouldn't have any impact on startup time.

Now that I've installed the Visual C++ programming language component, what do I do next?

JKSH · 25 Oct 2018, 00:41

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Now that I've installed the Visual C++ programming language component, what do I do next?

The next thing to do is to follow the tutorial and learn C++.

Just to double-check: Are you willing to spend time and effort to learn programming? It will take you at least a few weeks to learn the basics of C++. After that, it will take you at least a few months to learn the various features you need and to produce the program that you've been describing.