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JKSH · 1 Oct 2018, 15:21

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I hope this works with Windows 7 in its default state, that is, with no further updates than I have.

What is the "default state"? Do you have Service Pack 1 installed, at least?

The System Requirements document says that the minimum supported version is Windows 7 SP1: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs2017-system-requirements-vs

The reason why I ask this is because whenever I update the operating system, those updates end up breaking compatibility with my screenreader, which causes me to have to restore my machine and reinstall all my apps.

What happened when you tried to reinstall your screen reader after the update?

Annabelle · 1 Oct 2018, 23:42

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I hope this works with Windows 7 in its default state, that is, with no further updates than I have.

What is the "default state"? Do you have Service Pack 1 installed, at least?

The System Requirements document says that the minimum supported version is Windows 7 SP1: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs2017-system-requirements-vs

The reason why I ask this is because whenever I update the operating system, those updates end up breaking compatibility with my screenreader, which causes me to have to restore my machine and reinstall all my apps.

What happened when you tried to reinstall your screen reader after the update?

Accessibility was completely broken. Yes, I do have Service Pack 1 installed. That's the farthest it will go with JAWS 15.0. And no, I don't have $1000 to upgrade to the latest version of JAWS.

Annabelle · J JKSH 1 Oct 2018, 14:45

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I hope this works with Windows 7 in its default state, that is, with no further updates than I have.

What is the "default state"? Do you have Service Pack 1 installed, at least?

The System Requirements document says that the minimum supported version is Windows 7 SP1: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs2017-system-requirements-vs

The reason why I ask this is because whenever I update the operating system, those updates end up breaking compatibility with my screenreader, which causes me to have to restore my machine and reinstall all my apps.

What happened when you tried to reinstall your screen reader after the update?

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

JKSH · 2 Oct 2018, 00:15

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

Annabelle · J JKSH 1 Oct 2018, 23:42

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

Yes, even after reinstalling JAWS, so I had to completely reinstall all aps on June 13, 2018, and it's been running fine since then, and I don't plan to update Windows beyond Service Pack 1, since that's what caused the problems. JAWS 15 doesn't like those new updates. I still haven't Installed Visual Studio Community yet, though I'm going to try now.

Annabelle · J JKSH 1 Oct 2018, 23:42

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

Nothing yet. I couldn't even install the current version of Visual Studio Community unless I update Microsoft.net Framework, and even that is risky for fear of breaking screenreader accessibility. That was part of the thing that got me in trouble to where I had to restore my machine. I don't want to have to do that again!

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 15:49

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

Accessibility was completely broken.

Even after reinstalling JAWS? (Just reinstalling, not upgrading)

I've double-checked my machine, and it does indeed have Windows 7 64 Bit Service Pack 1 installed.

Good.

Any progress?

The latest version of Visual C++ Redistributable that my machine can run without broken accessibility is 2015. I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Annabelle · wrote on 13 Oct 2018, 15:31

@JKSH I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials. A blind guy who contacted me via Email a few days ago, who says he's not even a programmer, told me about something he referred to as "Tab Stops". These are, from what he explained, parameters that one can get to by pressing the Tab and Shift+Tab keys. According to his explanation, a tab stop is like a place marker in a window that can be reached with the tab key. Some applications have the field name and
data for their tab stops in a different order than the actual
controls, which means that when we tab around, we end up activating
unintended things. Where do I search for how to program those? In regards to gender-specific text replacement, this same guy told me about something he called "Verbal Analytics". In his explanation regarding this parameter, he says that there are databases that analyze writing statistically; they indicate
which words are used, how they are used, how most sentences in the
piece of writing are constructed, etc. Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

JKSH · 13 Oct 2018, 16:40

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Do you mean https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ ? That's just Microsoft's way of encouraging people to use the latest version (2017). Are you willing to create an account to get Visual Studio 2015?

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials.

The tutorial is for learning the basics of C++. Accessibility features, tab stops, and verbal analytics are a lot more advanced, so they are not in that tutorial.

Please focus on learning the basics first, before you move on to advanced topics. This will take time: A few weeks, at the very least.

"Verbal Analytics".

...

Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

No, I was talking about something much simplier called string manipulation. Verbal analytics is a sophisticated mathematical/statistical analysis technique. You don't need this to generate gender-specific text.

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 18:47

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I tried downloading Visual Studio Community 2015 from the link you mentioned, but it won't let me unless I join some program in order to access previous versions. What's up with that, I wonder?

Do you mean https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ ? That's just Microsoft's way of encouraging people to use the latest version (2017). Are you willing to create an account to get Visual Studio 2015?

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

I'm reading the tutorials, and I'm searching for an important part of programming language that makes a program's accessibility features show up from the beginning, but it's not in any of the tutorials.

The tutorial is for learning the basics of C++. Accessibility features, tab stops, and verbal analytics are a lot more advanced, so they are not in that tutorial.

Please focus on learning the basics first, before you move on to advanced topics. This will take time: A few weeks, at the very least.

"Verbal Analytics".

...

Does that parameter work in C++? If so, is that the same concept you were telling me about? I'm confused on this one!

No, I was talking about something much simplier called string manipulation. Verbal analytics is a sophisticated mathematical/statistical analysis technique. You don't need this to generate gender-specific text.

Is creating an account at that link something where I would have to give them any personally identifyable information like credit card numbers? If not, I'm absolutely willing to create an account to access older downloads.

JonB · 13 Oct 2018, 20:08

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Annabelle · 13 Oct 2018, 21:47

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

JKSH · 13 Oct 2018, 22:53

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

Go to https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ and click "Download" in the Visual Studio 2015 section.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 00:09

@JKSH said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
It should not ask for anything like a credit card. It will probably ask for an existing account you have with MS, or create a new one. You will have to supply it with your email address, I would not expect anything more than that.

Now that I've done that, how do I access the download of Visual Studio 2015?

Go to https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/ and click "Download" in the Visual Studio 2015 section.

I tried that, but unfortunately it gave me the 2017 version instead. I wonder if there's a direct link to the 2015 version.

kenchan · 14 Oct 2018, 02:04

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/

if you look lower down the page there is a link for downloading the 2015 version too.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 03:59

@kenchan said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle said in Qt Programming Language:

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/older-downloads/

if you look lower down the page there is a link for downloading the 2015 version too.

I can't find it. My screenreader shows a link that says "Free Download", but it's the 2017 version.

kenchan · 14 Oct 2018, 13:47

@Annabelle
Well I don't know what it looks like in a screen reader but there is a link called 'Expand All' when that is expanded there is a button to click for downloading.

It will ask you for your Microsoft login details. You have to be a member of the Visual Studio Subscription site, you can sign up for free and get the free stuff after that.
I think they are only giving access to old stuff through this site.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 14:41

@kenchan said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
Well I don't know what it looks like in a screen reader but there is a link called 'Expand All' when that is expanded there is a button to click for downloading.

It will ask you for your Microsoft login details. You have to be a member of the Visual Studio Subscription site, you can sign up for free and get the free stuff after that.
I think they are only giving access to old stuff through this site.

I did that, but still nothing.

JonB · 14 Oct 2018, 19:38

@Annabelle
Hi. We cannot say about screen-reader access, but I think the direct link for the VS2015 download is

https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual studio 2015&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads

It will still make you log into your MS account to access it, but hopefully that route will work for you.

Annabelle · 14 Oct 2018, 20:02

@JonB said in Qt Programming Language:

@Annabelle
Hi. We cannot say about screen-reader access, but I think the direct link for the VS2015 download is

https://my.visualstudio.com/Downloads?q=visual studio 2015&wt.mc_id=o~msft~vscom~older-downloads

It will still make you log into your MS account to access it, but hopefully that route will work for you.

Now that I've got Visual Studio Community 2015 installed, what do I do next?