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  • J.HilkJ J.Hilk

    @SGaist I bet ya, the python interpreter starts with int main( šŸ˜Ž

    @mrjj

    ps. maybe we should fork the thread :)

    probably a good idea, we derailed quite a lot

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    #15

    @J-Hilk
    No as derailed as my first attempt to move it :)))

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    • mrjjM mrjj

      @J-Hilk
      No as derailed as my first attempt to move it :)))

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      #16

      @mrjj I noticed!

      It even went 10 years to the past 🤣


      Be aware of the Qt Code of Conduct, when posting : https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct


      Q: What's that?
      A: It's blue light.
      Q: What does it do?
      A: It turns blue.

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      • fcarneyF Offline
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        This is how my designs usually go:

        • Customer: We want to do "this"
        • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
        • Customer: I don't know
        • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
        • Me: How about "this"?
        • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
        • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

        So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

        C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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        • fcarneyF fcarney

          This is how my designs usually go:

          • Customer: We want to do "this"
          • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
          • Customer: I don't know
          • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
          • Me: How about "this"?
          • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
          • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

          So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

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          aha_1980
          Lifetime Qt Champion
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          #18

          Hi @fcarney,

          Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>

          Don't you have a bot for that? ;)

          Regards

          Qt has to stay free or it will die.

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          • fcarneyF fcarney

            This is how my designs usually go:

            • Customer: We want to do "this"
            • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
            • Customer: I don't know
            • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
            • Me: How about "this"?
            • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
            • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

            So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

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            #19

            @fcarney
            So true! At least I know I am not alone....

            One step worse: your example implies when they see it they say "we didn't want it done (looking) that way, we wanted it done this way". But I often get: "we don't want that at all, we want it to do something totally different from what we said we wanted it to do". :(

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            • fcarneyF Offline
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              fcarney
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              #20

              That happens sometimes too.

              C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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              • Chris KawaC Offline
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                Chris Kawa
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                #21

                Don't worry guys. We can do anything. Absolutely anything. We are the experts.

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                • fcarneyF Offline
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                  fcarney
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                  #22

                  @Chris-Kawa said in The Art of programming:

                  We can do anything.

                  I have been in meetings like that. That is why I prefer technical meetings with only technical people.

                  C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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                  • Kent-DorfmanK Offline
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                    #23

                    Even though everyone is entitled to my opinion, I should probably stay out of this conversation.

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                    • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

                      Even though everyone is entitled to my opinion, I should probably stay out of this conversation.

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                      #24

                      @Kent-Dorfman
                      we are just having fun so please feel free to share :)

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                        aha_1980
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #25

                        "We just need to get this feature in now. Fast. We'll care about the architecture and the cleanup later. Promised."

                        That's how it goes for every feature.

                        Qt has to stay free or it will die.

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                        • Kent-DorfmanK Offline
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                          Kent-Dorfman
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                          #26

                          Unfortunately the "art of programming" is being replaced with the "assembly line mentality" of programming. Can you say agile?

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                          • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

                            Unfortunately the "art of programming" is being replaced with the "assembly line mentality" of programming. Can you say agile?

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                            @Kent-Dorfman I think I see what you mean. I was asked to add some features to some code. The architecture was very basic and inflexible. I rewrote the code and now it is some of the fastest in that industry. The customer was not sure what to think at first, then they realized their code was much more maintainable and higher performing. They were very satisfied with the code in the end. They wanted a cheap fix, they got a better design.

                            C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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                            • fcarneyF fcarney

                              @Kent-Dorfman I think I see what you mean. I was asked to add some features to some code. The architecture was very basic and inflexible. I rewrote the code and now it is some of the fastest in that industry. The customer was not sure what to think at first, then they realized their code was much more maintainable and higher performing. They were very satisfied with the code in the end. They wanted a cheap fix, they got a better design.

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                              #28

                              @fcarney I'm often tempted to borrow the motto of the late great Red Adair, "I can do it right; I can do it fast; I can do it cheap. Pick two."

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                              • mzimmersM mzimmers

                                @fcarney I'm often tempted to borrow the motto of the late great Red Adair, "I can do it right; I can do it fast; I can do it cheap. Pick two."

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                                Kent-Dorfman
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                                #29

                                @mzimmers I'm pretty sure a total denial of that motto is a hard requirement to be in any company business unit: manager, executive, operations director, marketer, etc.

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