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  • fcarneyF Offline
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    fcarney
    wrote on last edited by
    #17

    This is how my designs usually go:

    • Customer: We want to do "this"
    • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
    • Customer: I don't know
    • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
    • Me: How about "this"?
    • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
    • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

    So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

    C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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    • fcarneyF fcarney

      This is how my designs usually go:

      • Customer: We want to do "this"
      • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
      • Customer: I don't know
      • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
      • Me: How about "this"?
      • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
      • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

      So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

      aha_1980A Offline
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      aha_1980
      Lifetime Qt Champion
      wrote on last edited by
      #18

      Hi @fcarney,

      Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>

      Don't you have a bot for that? ;)

      Regards

      Qt has to stay free or it will die.

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      • fcarneyF fcarney

        This is how my designs usually go:

        • Customer: We want to do "this"
        • Me: What do you want "this" to look like?
        • Customer: I don't know
        • Me: <creates interface and basic functionality>
        • Me: How about "this"?
        • Customer: Well we don't want "that"! Here is what we want...
        • Me: <thinking>Why didn't they say that before?

        So for anything I build that sequence events is usually how every project starts. Rarely do I get specs at all. Even from my management who programs. They usually say "this" with no real details.

        JonBJ Offline
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        JonB
        wrote on last edited by
        #19

        @fcarney
        So true! At least I know I am not alone....

        One step worse: your example implies when they see it they say "we didn't want it done (looking) that way, we wanted it done this way". But I often get: "we don't want that at all, we want it to do something totally different from what we said we wanted it to do". :(

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        • fcarneyF Offline
          fcarneyF Offline
          fcarney
          wrote on last edited by
          #20

          That happens sometimes too.

          C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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          • Chris KawaC Offline
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            Chris Kawa
            Lifetime Qt Champion
            wrote on last edited by
            #21

            Don't worry guys. We can do anything. Absolutely anything. We are the experts.

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            • fcarneyF Offline
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              fcarney
              wrote on last edited by
              #22

              @Chris-Kawa said in The Art of programming:

              We can do anything.

              I have been in meetings like that. That is why I prefer technical meetings with only technical people.

              C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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              • Kent-DorfmanK Offline
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                Kent-Dorfman
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                #23

                Even though everyone is entitled to my opinion, I should probably stay out of this conversation.

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                • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

                  Even though everyone is entitled to my opinion, I should probably stay out of this conversation.

                  mrjjM Offline
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                  mrjj
                  Lifetime Qt Champion
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #24

                  @Kent-Dorfman
                  we are just having fun so please feel free to share :)

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                  • aha_1980A Offline
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                    aha_1980
                    Lifetime Qt Champion
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #25

                    "We just need to get this feature in now. Fast. We'll care about the architecture and the cleanup later. Promised."

                    That's how it goes for every feature.

                    Qt has to stay free or it will die.

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                    • Kent-DorfmanK Offline
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                      Kent-Dorfman
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #26

                      Unfortunately the "art of programming" is being replaced with the "assembly line mentality" of programming. Can you say agile?

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                      • Kent-DorfmanK Kent-Dorfman

                        Unfortunately the "art of programming" is being replaced with the "assembly line mentality" of programming. Can you say agile?

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                        fcarney
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #27

                        @Kent-Dorfman I think I see what you mean. I was asked to add some features to some code. The architecture was very basic and inflexible. I rewrote the code and now it is some of the fastest in that industry. The customer was not sure what to think at first, then they realized their code was much more maintainable and higher performing. They were very satisfied with the code in the end. They wanted a cheap fix, they got a better design.

                        C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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                        • fcarneyF fcarney

                          @Kent-Dorfman I think I see what you mean. I was asked to add some features to some code. The architecture was very basic and inflexible. I rewrote the code and now it is some of the fastest in that industry. The customer was not sure what to think at first, then they realized their code was much more maintainable and higher performing. They were very satisfied with the code in the end. They wanted a cheap fix, they got a better design.

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                          mzimmers
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #28

                          @fcarney I'm often tempted to borrow the motto of the late great Red Adair, "I can do it right; I can do it fast; I can do it cheap. Pick two."

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                          • mzimmersM mzimmers

                            @fcarney I'm often tempted to borrow the motto of the late great Red Adair, "I can do it right; I can do it fast; I can do it cheap. Pick two."

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                            Kent-Dorfman
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                            #29

                            @mzimmers I'm pretty sure a total denial of that motto is a hard requirement to be in any company business unit: manager, executive, operations director, marketer, etc.

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