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  • KroMignonK KroMignon

    @opengpu I don't think this is OK. There is a common mistake with QThread usage.
    QThread is a Qt object which will control a thread, but QThread instance leaves in the thread in which the instance has been created, not in the created thread.
    So the slots/signals of the MyThread class will be launched in the thread used to create the MyThread instance.

    A good practice for multi-threading with Qt, is to create a worker class and to move the instance to the thread, not to sub-class QThread.

    Take a look at following links for more details:

    • http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/
    • http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-2/
    • https://blog.qt.io/blog/2010/06/17/youre-doing-it-wrong/
    • https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/how-to-really-truly-use-qthreads-the-full-explanation/
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    @KroMignon thank you , i think you are right. the signal and slot will be both at MainThread...before this i normally overide the virutal run(), and mainly do things @run().
    at this time, i just need to SendMail(const MyInfo& info), so i tried to make it simple, without loop @run() with a list.

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    • KroMignonK KroMignon

      @opengpu I don't think this is OK. There is a common mistake with QThread usage.
      QThread is a Qt object which will control a thread, but QThread instance leaves in the thread in which the instance has been created, not in the created thread.
      So the slots/signals of the MyThread class will be launched in the thread used to create the MyThread instance.

      A good practice for multi-threading with Qt, is to create a worker class and to move the instance to the thread, not to sub-class QThread.

      Take a look at following links for more details:

      • http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-1/
      • http://blog.debao.me/2013/08/how-to-use-qthread-in-the-right-way-part-2/
      • https://blog.qt.io/blog/2010/06/17/youre-doing-it-wrong/
      • https://mayaposch.wordpress.com/2011/11/01/how-to-really-truly-use-qthreads-the-full-explanation/
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      @KroMignon said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

      So the slots/signals of the MyThread class will be launched in the thread used to create the MyThread instance.

      Yep, I've just tested. @opengpu so you have to use worker object or implement run(). Both approaches are described in great detail in QThread documentation.

      (Z(:^

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        class Worker : public QObject
        {
            Q_OBJECT
        
        public slots:
            void doWork(const QString &parameter) {
                QString result;
                /* ... here is the expensive or blocking operation ... */
                emit resultReady(result);
            }
        
        signals:
            void resultReady(const QString &result);
        };
        
        class Controller : public QObject
        {
            Q_OBJECT
            QThread workerThread;
        public:
            Controller() {
                Worker *worker = new Worker;
                worker->moveToThread(&workerThread);
                connect(&workerThread, &QThread::finished, worker, &QObject::deleteLater);
                connect(this, &Controller::operate, worker, &Worker::doWork);
                connect(worker, &Worker::resultReady, this, &Controller::handleResults);
                workerThread.start();
            }
            ~Controller() {
                workerThread.quit();
                workerThread.wait();
            }
        public slots:
            void handleResults(const QString &);
        signals:
            void operate(const QString &);
        };
        

        thanks, and i will use this.

        ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
        is this OK?
        the 'doWork' is slow, and the emit 'operate' is very very frequently.
        so is it OK when the previous signal's 'doWork' is still not finished & the next (maybe more than one)'operate' is already emitted.

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          class Worker : public QObject
          {
              Q_OBJECT
          
          public slots:
              void doWork(const QString &parameter) {
                  QString result;
                  /* ... here is the expensive or blocking operation ... */
                  emit resultReady(result);
              }
          
          signals:
              void resultReady(const QString &result);
          };
          
          class Controller : public QObject
          {
              Q_OBJECT
              QThread workerThread;
          public:
              Controller() {
                  Worker *worker = new Worker;
                  worker->moveToThread(&workerThread);
                  connect(&workerThread, &QThread::finished, worker, &QObject::deleteLater);
                  connect(this, &Controller::operate, worker, &Worker::doWork);
                  connect(worker, &Worker::resultReady, this, &Controller::handleResults);
                  workerThread.start();
              }
              ~Controller() {
                  workerThread.quit();
                  workerThread.wait();
              }
          public slots:
              void handleResults(const QString &);
          signals:
              void operate(const QString &);
          };
          

          thanks, and i will use this.

          ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
          is this OK?
          the 'doWork' is slow, and the emit 'operate' is very very frequently.
          so is it OK when the previous signal's 'doWork' is still not finished & the next (maybe more than one)'operate' is already emitted.

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          KroMignon
          wrote on last edited by KroMignon
          #11

          @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

          so is it OK when the previous signal's 'doWork' is still not finished & the next (maybe more than one)'operate' is already emitted.

          The worker QThread implements a QEventQueue, when a new signal emitted from Controller, it will be stored in message queue. And when slot has been processed on Worker, next message will be extract from queue. And so on.

          More details can be found here: https://www.toptal.com/qt/qt-multithreading-c-plus-plus

          Messages will be processed in the order of reception in WorkerThread.

          I would to initialization of Thread and Worker like this:

          Worker *worker = new Worker; // no need to hold pointer to worker 
          QThread *workerThread = new QThread; // no need to hold pointer to worker thread
          
          connect(this, &Controller::operate, worker, Worker::doWork);
          connect(worker, &Worker::resultReady, this, &Controller::handleResults);
          
          // delete worker on controller end
          connect(this, &QObject::destroyed, worker, Worker::deleteLater, Qt::DirectConnection);
          
          // stop and delete worker thread on worker end
          connect(worker, &QObject::destroyed, workerThread, [](QObject *){
              quit();
              wait();
              deleteLater();
          }, Qt::DirectConnection);
          
          worker->moveToThread(workerThread);
          workerThread.start();
          

          It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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          • KroMignonK KroMignon

            @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

            so is it OK when the previous signal's 'doWork' is still not finished & the next (maybe more than one)'operate' is already emitted.

            The worker QThread implements a QEventQueue, when a new signal emitted from Controller, it will be stored in message queue. And when slot has been processed on Worker, next message will be extract from queue. And so on.

            More details can be found here: https://www.toptal.com/qt/qt-multithreading-c-plus-plus

            Messages will be processed in the order of reception in WorkerThread.

            I would to initialization of Thread and Worker like this:

            Worker *worker = new Worker; // no need to hold pointer to worker 
            QThread *workerThread = new QThread; // no need to hold pointer to worker thread
            
            connect(this, &Controller::operate, worker, Worker::doWork);
            connect(worker, &Worker::resultReady, this, &Controller::handleResults);
            
            // delete worker on controller end
            connect(this, &QObject::destroyed, worker, Worker::deleteLater, Qt::DirectConnection);
            
            // stop and delete worker thread on worker end
            connect(worker, &QObject::destroyed, workerThread, [](QObject *){
                quit();
                wait();
                deleteLater();
            }, Qt::DirectConnection);
            
            worker->moveToThread(workerThread);
            workerThread.start();
            
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            @KroMignon said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

            connect(this, &QObject::destroyed, worker, Worker::deleteLater, Qt::DirectConnection);
            

            This is a race condition - deleteLater is a slot and it's not thread-safe. Don't force the connection type.

            Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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              wrote on last edited by opengpu
              #13

              i want to set a min time interval inside which the emit operate or the slot doWork should be INVALID and do nothing.
              before when overrider the virtual run(), that's easy to do.

              how about this situation while using this worker-method?

              eg. if doWork is implemented and until 1 min passed, the signal or slot should not emit or implemented in this 1 min. and the signal/slot doesnot be renmembered, just ignore them.

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                i want to set a min time interval inside which the emit operate or the slot doWork should be INVALID and do nothing.
                before when overrider the virtual run(), that's easy to do.

                how about this situation while using this worker-method?

                eg. if doWork is implemented and until 1 min passed, the signal or slot should not emit or implemented in this 1 min. and the signal/slot doesnot be renmembered, just ignore them.

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                #14

                Emit a deadline (QDeadlineTimer) along with the input data. In the slot check if the deadline has expired, and if so just return immediately.

                Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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                  #15
                  QElapsedTimer m_ElapsedTimer;
                  
                  if ( !m_ElapsedTimer.isValid() ||  m_ElapsedTimer.hasExpired(timeout))
                  {
                      emit signalSendEmail();
                      m_ElapsedTimer.restart();
                  }
                  

                  i want to write like this, this will not restrict the 1st time emit, and since the 1st emit, the next emit is only allowed outof timeout milliseconds.
                  However, i want the exe runs very very long time. the qinit64 seems still not that long enough for the longest interval in theory(qint64 is only about 214783 seconds). What will happen if the real time interval is longer than this?
                  And what is the best method to get the longest time interval supportted in code?

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                    QElapsedTimer m_ElapsedTimer;
                    
                    if ( !m_ElapsedTimer.isValid() ||  m_ElapsedTimer.hasExpired(timeout))
                    {
                        emit signalSendEmail();
                        m_ElapsedTimer.restart();
                    }
                    

                    i want to write like this, this will not restrict the 1st time emit, and since the 1st emit, the next emit is only allowed outof timeout milliseconds.
                    However, i want the exe runs very very long time. the qinit64 seems still not that long enough for the longest interval in theory(qint64 is only about 214783 seconds). What will happen if the real time interval is longer than this?
                    And what is the best method to get the longest time interval supportted in code?

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                    jsulm
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                    wrote on last edited by jsulm
                    #16

                    @opengpu See my answer in your other thread (https://forum.qt.io/topic/104026/about-the-longest-elapsed-time-in-qt). I really have no idea why you think it is 214783 seconds only when using qint64...

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                      @opengpu See my answer in your other thread (https://forum.qt.io/topic/104026/about-the-longest-elapsed-time-in-qt). I really have no idea why you think it is 214783 seconds only when using qint64...

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                      #17

                      @jsulm thank you. i got it from INT_MAX, which is int32

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                        @jsulm thank you. i got it from INT_MAX, which is int32

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                        #18

                        @opengpu With int32 you have more than 2 million seconds, not 214783

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                          @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                          workerThread

                          workerThread donot need sleep?

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                            @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                            workerThread

                            workerThread donot need sleep?

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                            @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                            workerThread donot need sleep?

                            No, they are not humans :-)
                            Why are you asking? A thread can sleep or be busy.

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                              @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                              workerThread donot need sleep?

                              No, they are not humans :-)
                              Why are you asking? A thread can sleep or be busy.

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                              @jsulm ok, so it will automatically sleep when no signal or event, right?
                              because i used to overider the virtual run()
                              thanks

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                                @KroMignon said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                connect(this, &QObject::destroyed, worker, Worker::deleteLater, Qt::DirectConnection);
                                

                                This is a race condition - deleteLater is a slot and it's not thread-safe. Don't force the connection type.

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                                @kshegunov said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                This is a race condition - deleteLater is a slot and it's not thread-safe. Don't force the connection type.

                                Where did you found this information.... I mean not thread safe?
                                Because on Qt Mailing list, Thiago Macieira (which is deep involved in Qt devlopement) has written:

                                It's thread-safe with almost any operation, except one: the actual object's
                                deletion, of course.

                                But we haven't documented it as such. It just happens to be due to the
                                implementation.

                                ==> cf. https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-October/019197.html

                                It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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                                  @jsulm ok, so it will automatically sleep when no signal or event, right?
                                  because i used to overider the virtual run()
                                  thanks

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                                  @opengpu If you call exec() in your run() method then your thread will have an event loop and sleep if there is nothing to do. Else it will finish as soon as run() finishes (https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qthread.html#run).

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                                    @opengpu If you call exec() in your run() method then your thread will have an event loop and sleep if there is nothing to do. Else it will finish as soon as run() finishes (https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qthread.html#run).

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                                    @jsulm i used to not call exec, and use my own loop, so it need sleep, lol

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                                    • KroMignonK KroMignon

                                      @kshegunov said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                      This is a race condition - deleteLater is a slot and it's not thread-safe. Don't force the connection type.

                                      Where did you found this information.... I mean not thread safe?
                                      Because on Qt Mailing list, Thiago Macieira (which is deep involved in Qt devlopement) has written:

                                      It's thread-safe with almost any operation, except one: the actual object's
                                      deletion, of course.

                                      But we haven't documented it as such. It just happens to be due to the
                                      implementation.

                                      ==> cf. https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-October/019197.html

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                                      @KroMignon said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                      Where did you found this information.... I mean not thread safe?

                                      Documentation. There's no promise Qt made about it being thread safe, and as Thiago noted this is an implementation detail you're relying on. It may change in Qt6 (it may even change in Qt5) and then you're going to wonder why a nasty bug suddenly appeared in your codebase.

                                      Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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                                        QElapsedTimer m_ElapsedTimer;
                                        
                                        if ( !m_ElapsedTimer.isValid() ||  m_ElapsedTimer.hasExpired(timeout))
                                        {
                                            emit signalSendEmail();
                                            m_ElapsedTimer.restart();
                                        }
                                        

                                        i want to write like this, this will not restrict the 1st time emit, and since the 1st emit, the next emit is only allowed outof timeout milliseconds.
                                        However, i want the exe runs very very long time. the qinit64 seems still not that long enough for the longest interval in theory(qint64 is only about 214783 seconds). What will happen if the real time interval is longer than this?
                                        And what is the best method to get the longest time interval supportted in code?

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                                        @opengpu said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                        QElapsedTimer m_ElapsedTimer;
                                        
                                        if ( !m_ElapsedTimer.isValid() ||  m_ElapsedTimer.hasExpired(timeout))
                                        {
                                            emit signalSendEmail();
                                            m_ElapsedTimer.restart();
                                        }
                                        

                                        i want to write like this, this will not restrict the 1st time emit, and since the 1st emit, the next emit is only allowed outof timeout milliseconds.
                                        However, i want the exe runs very very long time. the qinit64 seems still not that long enough for the longest interval in theory(qint64 is only about 214783 seconds). What will happen if the real time interval is longer than this?
                                        And what is the best method to get the longest time interval supportted in code?

                                        // first emit
                                        emit signalSendEmail(QDeadlineTimer(QDeadlineTimer::Forever));
                                        
                                        // More emits
                                        // ...
                                        emit signalSendEmail(QDeadlineTimer::current() + 1000 * 3600); // 3600s = 1 hour
                                        

                                        In the slot it's as easy to check as:

                                        void Class::slotThatSendsEmails(const QDeadlineTimer & deadline)
                                        {
                                            if (deadline.hasExpired())
                                                return;
                                        
                                            // Code that matters
                                        }
                                        

                                        Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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                                        • kshegunovK kshegunov

                                          @KroMignon said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                          Where did you found this information.... I mean not thread safe?

                                          Documentation. There's no promise Qt made about it being thread safe, and as Thiago noted this is an implementation detail you're relying on. It may change in Qt6 (it may even change in Qt5) and then you're going to wonder why a nasty bug suddenly appeared in your codebase.

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                                          @kshegunov said in inherite from QThread, but donnot overrider virtual void run(), is this OK?:

                                          Documentation

                                          Sorry, I don't want to be boring, I are certainly right...
                                          But it would be nice if you can give me a pointer of your affirmation...
                                          I am following Qt Forum to learn. You say I will have trouble doing this, but not really any information else...

                                          It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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