No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
@FPChris tell me then the glaringly obvious place where you are asked to set this up and/or correct it if you missed it initially when installing through apt-get?
@Christian-Ehrlicher said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
Please stop this, it's unsupportive and unhelpful. It is also, sadly exactly what I'd expect from certain members of the FOSS community with the mentality that everyone should either know everything already or go through the same pains to learn it as they did and ignoring the mainstream end-user entirely in the process, which is exactly why Linux as a desktop kernel has taken so long to catch on/become relevant to general users.
There's something called an end user, learn to respect that or you are not a very good developer.
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@FPChris tell me then the glaringly obvious place where you are asked to set this up and/or correct it if you missed it initially when installing through apt-get?
@Christian-Ehrlicher said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
Please stop this, it's unsupportive and unhelpful. It is also, sadly exactly what I'd expect from certain members of the FOSS community with the mentality that everyone should either know everything already or go through the same pains to learn it as they did and ignoring the mainstream end-user entirely in the process, which is exactly why Linux as a desktop kernel has taken so long to catch on/become relevant to general users.
There's something called an end user, learn to respect that or you are not a very good developer.
@puflin Your first post here and you're already teaching others how to behave?
Also, this is a developer forum, not end-user. As a developer one should be able to handle such responses (take a look at Linux developer mailing list and what Linus sometimes says/writes if you want to know how it can be in one of THE open source projects).For such off-topic discussions I would suggest to go to https://forum.qt.io/category/7/the-lounge
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt. Totally confusing.
But this is not really possible as it depends on what compiler you want to use and if you want to use
windows apps or Arm boards or both :)So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt. Totally confusing.
But this is not really possible as it depends on what compiler you want to use and if you want to use
windows apps or Arm boards or both :)So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
@mrjj said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
I agree, but an additional window/message along the line of:
"You have selected no precompiled libraries, do you want to continue? Back : Continue" would be nice.
and a second one
"You have selected all possible modules, do you really want to continue?" For the other extreme.would be nice to have.
Be aware of the Qt Code of Conduct, when posting : https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct
Q: What's that?
A: It's blue light.
Q: What does it do?
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I understand how it came across, just understand from my view, although I am new on the forum, that should not invalidate me as a person. The is that this is a constant theme in supposed "safe spaces" and forums where support and help is advocated. a Person comes here to find assistance and get put off by this form of reaction. Either allow people to self moderate, or do active Unbiased moderation. It is wholly unfair to expect a person not to raise the sense that they are offended just because they are ne. And yes, perhaps I could have put it nicer.
For all intents and purposes, the OP and other contributors to the conversation ARE end users in this context. The discussion has nothing to do with development as such, it was in regards to the packages failure to communicate clearly to the end user, to detect versions installed already and to clearly assist the end user in doing so on failing that. Whether this is a concern to the developer is up to them to decide, but should not be communicated in such a manner. The fact that this is a developer tool should not have any bearing on it's user friendliness. The person commenting, raised a legitimate concern and was met with sarcasm, and yes, I retaliated in like which was not prudent. If anything, with his standing in the forum I'd expect the respondent to have been respectful and helpful, something that is outlined in the code of conduct, yet no matter how you phrase it, it was not. It was intentionally sarcastic and unhelpful.
I may have the experience and capacity to have resolved this issue on my own eventually, but that may not always be the case and it greatly infuriates me to see others being treated in such a manner who genuinely has an issue and raises a concern. My personal involvement in this regard is that I would never want to request assistance here if that is the kind of response one gets, nor would I ever recommend the site or the product's support and community friendliness if that is the norm.
At the very least, remove the offending commentary, including my own.
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@mrjj said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
I agree, but an additional window/message along the line of:
"You have selected no precompiled libraries, do you want to continue? Back : Continue" would be nice.
and a second one
"You have selected all possible modules, do you really want to continue?" For the other extreme.would be nice to have.
@J-Hilk
Absolutely for a more solid experience. :)
Btw more than once, i did select all models as it's so tempting to click the root item :) -
I understand how it came across, just understand from my view, although I am new on the forum, that should not invalidate me as a person. The is that this is a constant theme in supposed "safe spaces" and forums where support and help is advocated. a Person comes here to find assistance and get put off by this form of reaction. Either allow people to self moderate, or do active Unbiased moderation. It is wholly unfair to expect a person not to raise the sense that they are offended just because they are ne. And yes, perhaps I could have put it nicer.
For all intents and purposes, the OP and other contributors to the conversation ARE end users in this context. The discussion has nothing to do with development as such, it was in regards to the packages failure to communicate clearly to the end user, to detect versions installed already and to clearly assist the end user in doing so on failing that. Whether this is a concern to the developer is up to them to decide, but should not be communicated in such a manner. The fact that this is a developer tool should not have any bearing on it's user friendliness. The person commenting, raised a legitimate concern and was met with sarcasm, and yes, I retaliated in like which was not prudent. If anything, with his standing in the forum I'd expect the respondent to have been respectful and helpful, something that is outlined in the code of conduct, yet no matter how you phrase it, it was not. It was intentionally sarcastic and unhelpful.
I may have the experience and capacity to have resolved this issue on my own eventually, but that may not always be the case and it greatly infuriates me to see others being treated in such a manner who genuinely has an issue and raises a concern. My personal involvement in this regard is that I would never want to request assistance here if that is the kind of response one gets, nor would I ever recommend the site or the product's support and community friendliness if that is the norm.
At the very least, remove the offending commentary, including my own.
@puflin said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
At the very least, remove the offending commentary, including my own.
I'm not going to remove anything as I do not see any offending posts in this thread. And you are not the one who got that reply, I'm quite sure @FPChris can talk for himself.
I also don't consider the post from @Christian-Ehrlicher to be offending, just somewhat "unfriendly".
Up to you to feel offended by such posts. I don't and I will not spend more of my time discussing this.And again: if you see need for such a discussion open a thread in https://forum.qt.io/category/7/the-lounge instead of putting it here, because it is off-topic here.
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt. Totally confusing.
But this is not really possible as it depends on what compiler you want to use and if you want to use
windows apps or Arm boards or both :)So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
@mrjj said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt. Totally confusing.
But this is not really possible as it depends on what compiler you want to use and if you want to use
windows apps or Arm boards or both :)So randomly selecting a toolchain is not the right design for a tool targeting developers.
"Default" helpers exist, as of half a year ago: https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-online-installer-4.1.1-released
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@puflin Your first post here and you're already teaching others how to behave?
Also, this is a developer forum, not end-user. As a developer one should be able to handle such responses (take a look at Linux developer mailing list and what Linus sometimes says/writes if you want to know how it can be in one of THE open source projects).For such off-topic discussions I would suggest to go to https://forum.qt.io/category/7/the-lounge
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@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
@Christian-Ehrlicher Perhaps as a GraPHicAL USeR INterFaCe framework, Qt needs to learn a bit about what's a reasonable default, and stop trying to confuse its users in the very first bit at the installation process. Or maybe your UI logic has always been "my users MUST be smart enough to get everything right even when the default is completely misleading"? This might explain why there are so many hard-to-use apps out there.
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@Christian-Ehrlicher Perhaps as a GraPHicAL USeR INterFaCe framework, Qt needs to learn a bit about what's a reasonable default, and stop trying to confuse its users in the very first bit at the installation process. Or maybe your UI logic has always been "my users MUST be smart enough to get everything right even when the default is completely misleading"? This might explain why there are so many hard-to-use apps out there.
@OTZzzz said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
Qt needs to learn a bit about what's a reasonable default
See the screenshot in my last post.
Welcome, by the way. Nice way to make an entrance.
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@FPChris tell me then the glaringly obvious place where you are asked to set this up and/or correct it if you missed it initially when installing through apt-get?
@Christian-Ehrlicher said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
@FPChris said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
They really need to default check a version of Qt.
Too hard to do one more click to select the desired version by your own?
Please stop this, it's unsupportive and unhelpful. It is also, sadly exactly what I'd expect from certain members of the FOSS community with the mentality that everyone should either know everything already or go through the same pains to learn it as they did and ignoring the mainstream end-user entirely in the process, which is exactly why Linux as a desktop kernel has taken so long to catch on/become relevant to general users.
There's something called an end user, learn to respect that or you are not a very good developer.
@puflin I complete agree with your sentiment. We should strive to make things as easy as possible for end-users, not say "oh, is that too hard for you?" whenever they suggest how to make things easier. That's a great way to get fired from companies that actually care about design and putting out state-of-the-art products.
I completely agree with your assessment of some members in the FOSS community, as well.
It's sad that someone else chastised you for being new, when the other person wasn't being helpful at all.
Keep up the good work, and don't let these people bring you down with their tunnel-vision and gatekeeping. It's not healthy for the community.
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For the record: I encountered the same situation after 2 years. I thought it was caused by another problem that already existed and struggled for 1 hour so thanks for the answer.
Custom installation should definitely include a warning. And I hope the community is not always full of friends like the ones above.
Record over.
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For the record: I encountered the same situation after 2 years. I thought it was caused by another problem that already existed and struggled for 1 hour so thanks for the answer.
Custom installation should definitely include a warning. And I hope the community is not always full of friends like the ones above.
Record over.
@Von4 said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
For the record: I encountered the same situation after 2 years. I thought it was caused by another problem that already existed and struggled for 1 hour so thanks for the answer.
Custom installation should definitely include a warning. And I hope the community is not always full of friends like the ones above.
Record over.
Same here. Just downloaded the latest release from the official page, and there were no options for installing these so-called 'kits' along the installation process.
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@Von4 said in No suitable kits can be found. How do I solve this?:
For the record: I encountered the same situation after 2 years. I thought it was caused by another problem that already existed and struggled for 1 hour so thanks for the answer.
Custom installation should definitely include a warning. And I hope the community is not always full of friends like the ones above.
Record over.
Same here. Just downloaded the latest release from the official page, and there were no options for installing these so-called 'kits' along the installation process.
@Jalim_Rabei Kits is a QtCreator thing. You just need to install Qt and in case you installed Qt for MinGW on Windows also MinGW. QtCreator will detect installed Qt versions and compilers and create Kits. You can modify these Kits or create new Kits by yourself if needed.
