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  • Christian EhrlicherC Online
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    Christian Ehrlicher
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    A key in a db is there so it gets not reused. It's somehow contradicts the reason for a primary key... If a column with an id is deleted this id should not be used again. I also don't see why it should be needed in your case at all.

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    • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

      A key in a db is there so it gets not reused. It's somehow contradicts the reason for a primary key... If a column with an id is deleted this id should not be used again. I also don't see why it should be needed in your case at all.

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      @Christian-Ehrlicher
      (I believe) the reason is the OP is wanting to emulate "inserting a row of data in Excel table". So he wants a row number of some description to get the ordering. Which I have said he should implement himself, not make auto-increment do it. (He might still use an auto-inc for the PK to identify the row if he wishes, but a dedicated unique column for the ordered row number usage.)

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        A PK is not to be used for ordering or something else.

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        • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

          A PK is not to be used for ordering or something else.

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          @Christian-Ehrlicher
          Um, that's what I've been saying.... Hence he needs something else for ordering.
          TBH it's not even the PK which is at issue here, it's the auto-increment being unsuitable for OP's ordering.

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            @tovax
            Hmm, I'm a bit worried about your algorithm. Depends how this works in your database, and how the updates/transactions work, but....

            I see when you insert you renumber upwards. If this is a unique/primary key, that will keep "bumping into" the number above which already exists (hasn't been renumbered yet). Which might error?

            If it were me: to renumber for an insert I would start from the highest number, increment that, prodceed downward through the numbers. To renumber for a delete, I would start from one above the delete, decrement, then proceed upward till the last row. Makes sense?

            Of course, your approach is incredibly slow (at least for a remote/full database, not just a local file) across a large number of rows. I take it you are not concerned about having a thousand or a million of them....?

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            @JonB I'm not sure I understand your algorithm correctly.

            int32_t JCDemoDatabase::insertPrimaryKey(QSqlTableModel *model, int32_t row)
            {
                int32_t keyMax = model->record(model->rowCount() - 1).value(Table::PrimaryKey).toInt();
            
                // greater than "row"
                for (int32_t rowIndex = row; rowIndex < model->rowCount(); rowIndex++) {
                    QSqlRecord record = model->record(rowIndex);
                    record.setValue(Table::PrimaryKey, (keyMax + 2) + (rowIndex - row));
                    model->setRecord(rowIndex, record);
                }
                if (model->submitAll()) {
                    model->database().commit();
                } else {
                    model->database().rollback();
                    qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << 1 << model->lastError().text();
                }
            
                return keyMax + 1; // reserve for insertion
            }
            
            int32_t JCDemoDatabase::removePrimaryKey(QSqlTableModel *model, int32_t row)
            {
                int32_t key = model->record(row).value(Table::PrimaryKey).toInt();
            
                // less than "row"
                for (int32_t rowIndex = row - 1; rowIndex >= 0; rowIndex--) {
                    QSqlRecord record = model->record(rowIndex);
                    record.setValue(Table::PrimaryKey, (key - 1) + (rowIndex - (row - 1)));
                    model->setRecord(rowIndex, record);
                }
                if (model->submitAll()) {
                    model->database().commit();
                } else {
                    model->database().rollback();
                    qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << 1 << model->lastError().text();
                }
            
                return 0;
            }
            
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            • JonBJ JonB

              @Christian-Ehrlicher
              Um, that's what I've been saying.... Hence he needs something else for ordering.
              TBH it's not even the PK which is at issue here, it's the auto-increment being unsuitable for OP's ordering.

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              @JonB I just deleted "AUTOINCREMENT" in the primary key.

              sql.append(QStringLiteral("%1 INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT").arg(Table::PrimaryKey));
              
              sql.append(QStringLiteral("%1 INTEGER PRIMARY KEY").arg(Table::PrimaryKey));
              

              “Instead, you must your own "row number" integer variable as a column. But not auto-incremented. Instead, you must fill it with the desired row number.”
              Is this "row number" not a primary key, please?

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              • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

                A key in a db is there so it gets not reused. It's somehow contradicts the reason for a primary key... If a column with an id is deleted this id should not be used again. I also don't see why it should be needed in your case at all.

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                #31

                @Christian-Ehrlicher Hi, I want to keep the correct row number information so that I can highlight the corresponding row in tableview after receiving the correlation signal. Row number information is not the most important, as long as the correct order can be specified, the row number information can be regenerated by sequence.
                Best regards!

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                • tovaxT tovax

                  @JonB I'm not sure I understand your algorithm correctly.

                  int32_t JCDemoDatabase::insertPrimaryKey(QSqlTableModel *model, int32_t row)
                  {
                      int32_t keyMax = model->record(model->rowCount() - 1).value(Table::PrimaryKey).toInt();
                  
                      // greater than "row"
                      for (int32_t rowIndex = row; rowIndex < model->rowCount(); rowIndex++) {
                          QSqlRecord record = model->record(rowIndex);
                          record.setValue(Table::PrimaryKey, (keyMax + 2) + (rowIndex - row));
                          model->setRecord(rowIndex, record);
                      }
                      if (model->submitAll()) {
                          model->database().commit();
                      } else {
                          model->database().rollback();
                          qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << 1 << model->lastError().text();
                      }
                  
                      return keyMax + 1; // reserve for insertion
                  }
                  
                  int32_t JCDemoDatabase::removePrimaryKey(QSqlTableModel *model, int32_t row)
                  {
                      int32_t key = model->record(row).value(Table::PrimaryKey).toInt();
                  
                      // less than "row"
                      for (int32_t rowIndex = row - 1; rowIndex >= 0; rowIndex--) {
                          QSqlRecord record = model->record(rowIndex);
                          record.setValue(Table::PrimaryKey, (key - 1) + (rowIndex - (row - 1)));
                          model->setRecord(rowIndex, record);
                      }
                      if (model->submitAll()) {
                          model->database().commit();
                      } else {
                          model->database().rollback();
                          qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << 1 << model->lastError().text();
                      }
                  
                      return 0;
                  }
                  
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                  @tovax said in Insert record into QSqlTableModel:

                  @JonB I'm not sure I understand your algorithm correctly.

                  Let's say you want to insert at row number rowNum, then algorithmically:

                  for (int row = rowCount(); row > rowNum; row--)
                      rows[row] = rows[row - 1];
                      rows[row].order = row;
                  record.order = rowNum;
                  insertAt(rowNum, record);
                  

                  Let's say you want to delete at row number rowNum, then algorithmically:

                  deleteAt(rowNum);
                  for (int row = rowNum; row < rowCount() - 1; row++)
                      rows[row] = rows[row + 1];
                      rows[row].order = row;
                  

                  You may have to play with my code a bit, but you should get the idea.

                  Is this "row number" not a primary key, please?

                  Your ordering row number column value will have to change as you insert/delete rows, else it will go wrong. For example, if you have rows 1--10 and you want to insert a new one at 5 you will have to increment existing 5--10 ones to "make space" for new 5. The rows being "moved" are the same rows as they were before the move. Usually we do not change the primary key of a record in a table, it represents the record as though it were, say, a unique ID. (Indeed, your PK might me some unique ID, nothing like an incrementing number.) So... the "ordering" column would be best being its own column, so we are free to change it on an existing record --- by all means a unique-value column, but not the primary key one. Note that I do my insert/delete renumbering in such a way that I do not generate a duplicate ordering number in a row while I move rows around, so there is no chance the "unique" row number is duplicated and could error while I reorder.

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                  • JonBJ JonB

                    @tovax said in Insert record into QSqlTableModel:

                    @JonB I'm not sure I understand your algorithm correctly.

                    Let's say you want to insert at row number rowNum, then algorithmically:

                    for (int row = rowCount(); row > rowNum; row--)
                        rows[row] = rows[row - 1];
                        rows[row].order = row;
                    record.order = rowNum;
                    insertAt(rowNum, record);
                    

                    Let's say you want to delete at row number rowNum, then algorithmically:

                    deleteAt(rowNum);
                    for (int row = rowNum; row < rowCount() - 1; row++)
                        rows[row] = rows[row + 1];
                        rows[row].order = row;
                    

                    You may have to play with my code a bit, but you should get the idea.

                    Is this "row number" not a primary key, please?

                    Your ordering row number column value will have to change as you insert/delete rows, else it will go wrong. For example, if you have rows 1--10 and you want to insert a new one at 5 you will have to increment existing 5--10 ones to "make space" for new 5. The rows being "moved" are the same rows as they were before the move. Usually we do not change the primary key of a record in a table, it represents the record as though it were, say, a unique ID. (Indeed, your PK might me some unique ID, nothing like an incrementing number.) So... the "ordering" column would be best being its own column, so we are free to change it on an existing record --- by all means a unique-value column, but not the primary key one. Note that I do my insert/delete renumbering in such a way that I do not generate a duplicate ordering number in a row while I move rows around, so there is no chance the "unique" row number is duplicated and could error while I reorder.

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                    @JonB This code is based on your algorithm, the implementation of the insertion function.
                    I have some doubts:

                    1. I added the "row number" column, but deleted the primary key completely. I don't know whether this is reasonable;
                    2. The insertion operation in your algorithm is after reordering, but if the data is saved recursively from the last record, it seems that the last row should be inserted first;
                    3. If the database is relatively large, whether such large-scale replication of data will affect the speed.
                    void JCDemoDatabase::onInsertClicked()
                    {
                        tableModel->database().transaction();
                    
                        // current row
                        int32_t currentRow = tableView->currentIndex().row();
                    
                        // append row to the end
                        tableModel->insertRow(tableModel->rowCount());
                    
                        // reorder
                        for (int row = tableModel->rowCount() - 1; row > currentRow; row--) {
                            QSqlRecord record = tableModel->record(row - 1);
                            record.setValue(Table::RowNumber, row);
                            qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << tableModel->setRecord(row, record);
                        }
                    
                        // "update" new record
                        QSqlRecord record = tableModel->record(currentRow);
                        record.setValue(Table::RowNumber, currentRow);
                        for (int32_t columnIndex = Table::Field::Min; columnIndex <= Table::Field::Max; columnIndex++) {
                            record.setValue(Table::FieldText[columnIndex], QString("---"));
                        }
                        tableModel->setRecord(currentRow, record);
                    
                        // submit all
                        if (tableModel->submitAll()) {
                            tableModel->database().commit();
                            qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << "Error 1: " << tableModel->lastError().text();
                        } else {
                            tableModel->database().rollback();
                            qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << "Error 2: " << tableModel->lastError().text();
                        }
                    }
                    
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                    • tovaxT tovax

                      @JonB This code is based on your algorithm, the implementation of the insertion function.
                      I have some doubts:

                      1. I added the "row number" column, but deleted the primary key completely. I don't know whether this is reasonable;
                      2. The insertion operation in your algorithm is after reordering, but if the data is saved recursively from the last record, it seems that the last row should be inserted first;
                      3. If the database is relatively large, whether such large-scale replication of data will affect the speed.
                      void JCDemoDatabase::onInsertClicked()
                      {
                          tableModel->database().transaction();
                      
                          // current row
                          int32_t currentRow = tableView->currentIndex().row();
                      
                          // append row to the end
                          tableModel->insertRow(tableModel->rowCount());
                      
                          // reorder
                          for (int row = tableModel->rowCount() - 1; row > currentRow; row--) {
                              QSqlRecord record = tableModel->record(row - 1);
                              record.setValue(Table::RowNumber, row);
                              qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << tableModel->setRecord(row, record);
                          }
                      
                          // "update" new record
                          QSqlRecord record = tableModel->record(currentRow);
                          record.setValue(Table::RowNumber, currentRow);
                          for (int32_t columnIndex = Table::Field::Min; columnIndex <= Table::Field::Max; columnIndex++) {
                              record.setValue(Table::FieldText[columnIndex], QString("---"));
                          }
                          tableModel->setRecord(currentRow, record);
                      
                          // submit all
                          if (tableModel->submitAll()) {
                              tableModel->database().commit();
                              qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << "Error 1: " << tableModel->lastError().text();
                          } else {
                              tableModel->database().rollback();
                              qDebug() << __FUNCTION__ << "Error 2: " << tableModel->lastError().text();
                          }
                      }
                      
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                      #34

                      @tovax
                      After this I'm going to have to leave you to your own devices. My suggestions were only ideas, you don't have to follow what I say.

                      1. It is "usual" to have some primary key in a table, even if it's just an auto-inc ID. However, it's not mandatory. Some purists won't like without. (You might even utilise this to keep your "ordering" not in the data records but in a separate table which just has ordering number + the PK of the row in the data table, to reduce what must be renumbered; though for small data I would suspect more trouble than it's worth.)

                      2. Afraid I don't know about this/what you're asking. Do whatever is necessary, may not matter.

                      3. Yes, row renumbering will be slow for a lot of rows. I said so earlier. But it's not easy to come up with a better way to allow row order with insertions in the middle. I don't think this is affected by PKs or anything, it has always been an issue however you approach it.

                      The problem is that from Qt you're sending each row to be renumbered. May be unavoidable with, say, SQLite. But here's the irritant for, say, a remote "proper" SQL database (MySQL, SQL Server etc.): when we want to insert a row at rowNumToInsert what we really want to execute is just a single SQL statement:

                      UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn + 1 WHERE rowNumColumn >= rowNumToInsert
                      

                      (And btw similar when deleting a row.) No sending records over the wire, no thousands of statements to execute. If you really care you could investigate doing it this way.

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                      • JonBJ JonB

                        @tovax
                        After this I'm going to have to leave you to your own devices. My suggestions were only ideas, you don't have to follow what I say.

                        1. It is "usual" to have some primary key in a table, even if it's just an auto-inc ID. However, it's not mandatory. Some purists won't like without. (You might even utilise this to keep your "ordering" not in the data records but in a separate table which just has ordering number + the PK of the row in the data table, to reduce what must be renumbered; though for small data I would suspect more trouble than it's worth.)

                        2. Afraid I don't know about this/what you're asking. Do whatever is necessary, may not matter.

                        3. Yes, row renumbering will be slow for a lot of rows. I said so earlier. But it's not easy to come up with a better way to allow row order with insertions in the middle. I don't think this is affected by PKs or anything, it has always been an issue however you approach it.

                        The problem is that from Qt you're sending each row to be renumbered. May be unavoidable with, say, SQLite. But here's the irritant for, say, a remote "proper" SQL database (MySQL, SQL Server etc.): when we want to insert a row at rowNumToInsert what we really want to execute is just a single SQL statement:

                        UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn + 1 WHERE rowNumColumn >= rowNumToInsert
                        

                        (And btw similar when deleting a row.) No sending records over the wire, no thousands of statements to execute. If you really care you could investigate doing it this way.

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                        @JonB
                        OK, thank you very much for your patience. I'll think about these problems carefully in the future.
                        Best regards!

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                          @JonB
                          OK, thank you very much for your patience. I'll think about these problems carefully in the future.
                          Best regards!

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                          #36

                          @tovax
                          Just answer one (actually two :) ) questions: how many rows are you going to have to renumber, and is the database local file or remote server on network?

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                            @tovax
                            Just answer one (actually two :) ) questions: how many rows are you going to have to renumber, and is the database local file or remote server on network?

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                            @JonB Up to 10000 rows. It's a local file.

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                              @JonB Up to 10000 rows. It's a local file.

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                              @tovax
                              Hmm. Local file good news, 10,000 rows to potentially renumber not so good! :( That's quite a lot for an "Excel-like" situation. You'll have to test the speed.

                              To the best of my knowledge, the way it would work in Excel is: read in the whole file, do lots of insertions in memory, rewrite the whole file on save, in the correct order of rows. So only slow on save & exit. But I can see you want/need to commit these changes as the user goes along, you can't keep them all in memory till then?

                              Let's go back in history. Before you were born when I started programming ;-) we used BASIC(!). Every code line had a line number. These were initially 10 apart (10, 20, 30, ...). That allowed up to 9 new lines to be inserted between each original lines with suitable numbers before you "bumped into" an existing, used line number. You could then either move an original line up/down by, say, 5 to make some extra room; or, you could do the "renumber" command, which essentially re-renumbered the whole file back to gaps of 10. The result was a lot less overall renumbering.

                              If you think about it, you could use that approach to assign your "ordering" number value to your rows so as to avoid an awful lot of the necessity to renumber many rows in the database. On the infrequent occasions that the user tries to insert a new row where there is no gap, then & only then you tell him to "hang on" while you go renumber a lot of them in the database and then carry on as before. I think that is what I would probably do if I had your situation.

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                                @tovax
                                Hmm. Local file good news, 10,000 rows to potentially renumber not so good! :( That's quite a lot for an "Excel-like" situation. You'll have to test the speed.

                                To the best of my knowledge, the way it would work in Excel is: read in the whole file, do lots of insertions in memory, rewrite the whole file on save, in the correct order of rows. So only slow on save & exit. But I can see you want/need to commit these changes as the user goes along, you can't keep them all in memory till then?

                                Let's go back in history. Before you were born when I started programming ;-) we used BASIC(!). Every code line had a line number. These were initially 10 apart (10, 20, 30, ...). That allowed up to 9 new lines to be inserted between each original lines with suitable numbers before you "bumped into" an existing, used line number. You could then either move an original line up/down by, say, 5 to make some extra room; or, you could do the "renumber" command, which essentially re-renumbered the whole file back to gaps of 10. The result was a lot less overall renumbering.

                                If you think about it, you could use that approach to assign your "ordering" number value to your rows so as to avoid an awful lot of the necessity to renumber many rows in the database. On the infrequent occasions that the user tries to insert a new row where there is no gap, then & only then you tell him to "hang on" while you go renumber a lot of them in the database and then carry on as before. I think that is what I would probably do if I had your situation.

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                                @JonB
                                I just tested 10000 rows, and it took 160 seconds to insert a row, which is really too long.

                                In order to prevent sudden power failure, I need to save the user's data in real time.

                                The insertion scheme you used in BASIC sounds really very good, and I'll try my best to implement it later. Thank you again.

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                                  @JonB
                                  I just tested 10000 rows, and it took 160 seconds to insert a row, which is really too long.

                                  In order to prevent sudden power failure, I need to save the user's data in real time.

                                  The insertion scheme you used in BASIC sounds really very good, and I'll try my best to implement it later. Thank you again.

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                                  @tovax said in Insert record into QSqlTableModel:

                                  I just tested 10000 rows, and it took 160 seconds to insert a row, which is really too long.

                                  Wot??!! :D So what database are you actually using? Is it SQLite? Elsewhere someone was telling me that it has some "in-memory" setting so it can be "really fast"?

                                  3 minutes is crazy! Purely for my own/your information, do you feel like testing that suggestion I made of a single SQL statement

                                  UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn + 1 WHERE rowNumColumn >= rowNumToInsert
                                  

                                  ? I'd be interested to hear how that performs!?

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                                    @tovax said in Insert record into QSqlTableModel:

                                    I just tested 10000 rows, and it took 160 seconds to insert a row, which is really too long.

                                    Wot??!! :D So what database are you actually using? Is it SQLite? Elsewhere someone was telling me that it has some "in-memory" setting so it can be "really fast"?

                                    3 minutes is crazy! Purely for my own/your information, do you feel like testing that suggestion I made of a single SQL statement

                                    UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn + 1 WHERE rowNumColumn >= rowNumToInsert
                                    

                                    ? I'd be interested to hear how that performs!?

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                                    @JonB
                                    Only 108ms.

                                    UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn - 1
                                    
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                                      @JonB
                                      Only 108ms.

                                      UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn - 1
                                      
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                                      @tovax
                                      LOL! See what I meant by suggesting that would be much quicker than updating rows by sending each one to the database? :) 1/10th of a second instead of 160 seconds!

                                      So, at some level, if time is critical, you could find a way to exploit this. Maybe something like: use the 10-gap numbering we discussed. While that has a gap for your insert, fine. If you do need to "renumber": instead of updating each record, send that (or some other appropriate) SQL statement to the database, and just read back in the lines at that point to replace what you had in memory?

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                                        @JonB
                                        Only 108ms.

                                        UPDATE table SET rowNumColumn = rowNumColumn - 1
                                        
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                                        @tovax I'm really wondering why you want to number rows in the database? What is the use case? If it is for showing in the UI then there is no point in adding the row numbers already in the database.

                                        https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                                        • jsulmJ jsulm

                                          @tovax I'm really wondering why you want to number rows in the database? What is the use case? If it is for showing in the UI then there is no point in adding the row numbers already in the database.

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                                          @jsulm
                                          Dear @jsulm, have you read through this whole discussion? :) The whole point is that the OP needs a database table which can do what happens in a spreadsheet/Excel, i.e. rows have an order, rows come before or after each other. Unlike what one normally has to deal with in a relational database, but a perfectly valid question. And the user has to be able to insert/delete rows, with immediate commit to the database, in real time. When you come up with a better suggestion than I have dealing with OP and suggesting how he can impose & manage a row ordering, I should be most interested to hear!

                                          @tovax
                                          BTW, I don't think you have ever said which database you are using, just in case it has anything of its own supporting "row order"? SQL itself does not, but you never know what an implementation might add.

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