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  • jsulmJ jsulm

    @ManiRon This is not really a good example as there is no need to synchronize the threads at all. You're using local variables in each run(), so you will not have race conditions. You should find a better example where you can see what happens without synchronisation and then add synchronisation.
    Also, you're emitting signals in a loop that means slots will be executed after the loop is finished.
    Did you connect the signals to the slot?

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    ManiRon
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    @jsulm Sir if possible can u suggest any sample that i can work out and understand semaphore better

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      Your semaphores are not same. You are acquiring one semaphore and releasing another. This is the reason your threads are locked. Do like the follows.

                           addSem.acquire();
                            c = a + b;
                           addSem.release();
      

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      • dheerendraD dheerendra

        Your semaphores are not same. You are acquiring one semaphore and releasing another. This is the reason your threads are locked. Do like the follows.

                             addSem.acquire();
                              c = a + b;
                             addSem.release();
        
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        ManiRon
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        #8

        @dheerendra

        but i have two thread running the how i can make it to acquire ?

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        • dheerendraD dheerendra

          Your semaphores are not same. You are acquiring one semaphore and releasing another. This is the reason your threads are locked. Do like the follows.

                               addSem.acquire();
                                c = a + b;
                               addSem.release();
          
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          #9

          @dheerendra

          I tried the way u told sir, Still that problem is not solved

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            #10

            Can you show me where are you creating the semaphore object ?

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            • dheerendraD dheerendra

              Can you show me where are you creating the semaphore object ?

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              @dheerendra said in Trying to understand semaphore:

              semaphore

              its created seperately in a file

               extern QSemaphore addSem;
               extern QSemaphore disSem;
              

              But globally defined in MainWindow.cpp

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                wrote on last edited by dheerendra
                #12

                I felt you are complicating it. Just create the QSemaphore addSem(1). You are not initialising the semaphore count. As simple stuff create the QSemaphore addSem(1) in main.cpp. Pass addSem to both the thread class.

                Please note as @jsulm said, all this is not required. Since you would like to understand, we are showing you how to doit.

                Another point is that - You better read how semaphores work in general. This understanding is must.

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                • dheerendraD dheerendra

                  I felt you are complicating it. Just create the QSemaphore addSem(1). You are not initialising the semaphore count. As simple stuff create the QSemaphore addSem(1) in main.cpp. Pass addSem to both the thread class.

                  Please note as @jsulm said, all this is not required. Since you would like to understand, we are showing you how to doit.

                  Another point is that - You better read how semaphores work in general. This understanding is must.

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  @dheerendra ok Sir

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                  • jsulmJ jsulm

                    @ManiRon This is not really a good example as there is no need to synchronize the threads at all. You're using local variables in each run(), so you will not have race conditions. You should find a better example where you can see what happens without synchronisation and then add synchronisation.
                    Also, you're emitting signals in a loop that means slots will be executed after the loop is finished.
                    Did you connect the signals to the slot?

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                    I think you are confusing semaphores with mutexes. When you have 1 resource to protect there's no need to use a semaphore.

                    Can you tell us where do wou declare a, addSem and disSem?

                    @jsulm said in Trying to understand semaphore:

                    you're emitting signals in a loop that means slots will be executed after the loop is finished.

                    Not totally correct. If the connected slot is in a thread with an active event loop it will execute "immediately".

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                    • VRoninV VRonin

                      I think you are confusing semaphores with mutexes. When you have 1 resource to protect there's no need to use a semaphore.

                      Can you tell us where do wou declare a, addSem and disSem?

                      @jsulm said in Trying to understand semaphore:

                      you're emitting signals in a loop that means slots will be executed after the loop is finished.

                      Not totally correct. If the connected slot is in a thread with an active event loop it will execute "immediately".

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                      @VRonin

                      declared 'a' locally and addsem and disSem globally at MainWindow.cpp

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                      • VRoninV VRonin

                        I think you are confusing semaphores with mutexes. When you have 1 resource to protect there's no need to use a semaphore.

                        Can you tell us where do wou declare a, addSem and disSem?

                        @jsulm said in Trying to understand semaphore:

                        you're emitting signals in a loop that means slots will be executed after the loop is finished.

                        Not totally correct. If the connected slot is in a thread with an active event loop it will execute "immediately".

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                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @VRonin

                        Actually my aim was to check how the thread runs when we use a semaphore thats why thought of having a sample which displays each value after performing the addition but it just displays the first data after that the for loop is not running

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                        • dheerendraD Offline
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                          This indicates that one thread has acquired & did not release the semaphore. Show us the code with your loop for both the threads.

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                          • dheerendraD dheerendra

                            This indicates that one thread has acquired & did not release the semaphore. Show us the code with your loop for both the threads.

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                            ManiRon
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                            @dheerendra actually i got both the values from both the thread but the value was only the first value then the next value were not updated donno whether my for loop is running?

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                            • dheerendraD dheerendra

                              This indicates that one thread has acquired & did not release the semaphore. Show us the code with your loop for both the threads.

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                              ManiRon
                              wrote on last edited by VRonin
                              #19

                              @dheerendra
                              My thread Code:

                              void add_thread::run()
                              {
                              
                                  int b = 0;
                                  int c = 0;
                              qDebug("ADD_");
                                  for (int a = 30; a < 40;++a)
                                  {
                                      addSem.acquire();
                                      c = a + b;
                                      qDebug("ADD_DATA %d",c);
                                      disSem.release();
                                      sleep(1000);
                                      b = c;
                                      addSem.available();
                                      emit ADD_Data(c);
                              
                                      sleep(1000);
                                  }
                                  qDebug("ADD_DATA %d",c);
                              }
                              
                              
                              My Other thread code:
                              
                              void display_thread::run()
                              {
                              
                                  int b = 0;
                                  int c = 0;
                              
                                  for (int a = 10; a < 20; ++a)
                                  {
                                     addSem.acquire();
                                      c = a + b;
                                      addSem.release();
                                      b = c;
                                      addSem.available();
                                      emit ADD_Data1(c);
                                      sleep(1000);
                              
                                  }
                              
                              
                              }
                              
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                              • dheerendraD Offline
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                                #20

                                @ManiRon said in Trying to understand semaphore:

                                disSem.release();

                                My guess is right. Still you are releasing someother semaphore. Replace above line with addSem.release. Both the threads should work with same semaphore.

                                addSem.aquire()
                                // do something
                                addSem.release()
                                

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                                • dheerendraD dheerendra

                                  @ManiRon said in Trying to understand semaphore:

                                  disSem.release();

                                  My guess is right. Still you are releasing someother semaphore. Replace above line with addSem.release. Both the threads should work with same semaphore.

                                  addSem.aquire()
                                  // do something
                                  addSem.release()
                                  
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #21

                                  @dheerendra
                                  Sorry sir i changed and tried but the same result. But that too the second thread data i am able to display in line edit but the first thread data i am able to print using Qdebug but couldnt see the data in line edit

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                                    #22

                                    Can you show how did you declare semaphore ?

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                                    • dheerendraD dheerendra

                                      Can you show how did you declare semaphore ?

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                                      #23

                                      @dheerendra

                                      QSemaphore addSem;

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                                        1. addSem is not initialised with initial semaphore count
                                        2. sleep(..) it is seconds. So to complete the loop 10 times, it takes the 10*1000 seconds. So approximately you have to wait for 3 hrs to complete this loop:). So change your sleep to sleep(1).

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                                        • dheerendraD dheerendra
                                          1. addSem is not initialised with initial semaphore count
                                          2. sleep(..) it is seconds. So to complete the loop 10 times, it takes the 10*1000 seconds. So approximately you have to wait for 3 hrs to complete this loop:). So change your sleep to sleep(1).
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                                          ManiRon
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #25

                                          @dheerendra
                                          done sir its working

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