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  • JKSHJ Offline
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    Nobody wants to try my exercises... (sad face)

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    • JonBJ JonB

      @jsulm said in QString::toShort problem:

      Come on - these numbers are NOT short. We should stay on topic.

      I beg your pardon!? I am totally on topic. I was replying to @J-Hilk 's display of the code of QString::toShort(). Did you try what I suggested rather than dismissing it as OT? In view of the code shown, I am trying to suggest what 0xFFF.... string toShort() will accept as representing a negative number....

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      @JonB Passing 0xFFFFFFFE returns 0

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        @J.Hilk
        In that case, try passing something like 0xFFFFFFFE or 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE for the string to toShort() and those who want -2 instead of error should get it?!

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        @JonB
        actually, no take a look at toLongLong

        qint64 QString::toLongLong(bool *ok, int base) const
        {
        #if defined(QT_CHECK_RANGE)
            if (base != 0 && (base < 2 || base > 36)) {
                qWarning("QString::toLongLong: Invalid base (%d)", base);
                base = 10;
            }
        #endif
        
            bool my_ok;
            QLocale def_locale;
            qint64 result = def_locale.d()->stringToLongLong(*this, base, &my_ok, QLocalePrivate::FailOnGroupSeparators);
            if (my_ok) {
                if (ok != 0)
                    *ok = true;
                return result;
            }
        
            QLocale c_locale(QLocale::C);
            return c_locale.d()->stringToLongLong(*this, base, ok, QLocalePrivate::FailOnGroupSeparators);
        }
        

        I think, haven't looked stringToLongLong up, that here happens stirng lentgh magic, because every combinaion of FFF..E up to to 0xFFFFFFFE is interpretated as the uint value and everything above as -2 (as returning int64 value)


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        • jsulmJ jsulm

          @JonB Passing 0xFFFFFFFE returns 0

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          @jsulm

          @JonB Passing 0xFFFFFFFE returns 0

          Since QString::toLongLong() returns a qint64 (8 bytes, not 4), did you try 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE ?

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          • JonBJ JonB

            @jsulm

            @JonB Passing 0xFFFFFFFE returns 0

            Since QString::toLongLong() returns a qint64 (8 bytes, not 4), did you try 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE ?

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            @JonB said in QString::toShort problem:

            Since QString::toLongLong() returns a qint64 (8 bytes), did you try 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE ?

            Returns 0 as well.
            And I don't see why it should depend on the length.

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            • JonBJ JonB

              @jsulm

              @JonB Passing 0xFFFFFFFE returns 0

              Since QString::toLongLong() returns a qint64 (8 bytes, not 4), did you try 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE ?

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              @JonB surprisingly enough

              qDebug() << std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::min() << std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::max()
                           << endl << (int64_t)0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE;
               QString s("0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE"); bool ok;
              short sh =  s.toShort(&ok, 16);
              qDebug() <<sh << ok;
              long lg = s.toLongLong(&ok,16);
              qDebug() << lg << ok;
              

              returns:

              -9223372036854775808 9223372036854775807 
              -2
              0 false
              0 false
              

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              • jsulmJ jsulm

                @JonB said in QString::toShort problem:

                Since QString::toLongLong() returns a qint64 (8 bytes), did you try 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE ?

                Returns 0 as well.
                And I don't see why it should depend on the length.

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                @jsulm
                It would "depend on the length", as you put it, because as a 64-bit number 0xFFFFFFFE != 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE.

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                • JonBJ JonB

                  @jsulm
                  It would "depend on the length", as you put it, because as a 64-bit number 0xFFFFFFFE != 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE.

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                  @JonB I want to convert a signed short number not long or long long or ...
                  0xFFFE as signed short is -2 - do you agree (I mean independently from what Qt toShort() thinks it is)?

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                  • JonBJ JonB

                    @jsulm
                    It would "depend on the length", as you put it, because as a 64-bit number 0xFFFFFFFE != 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE.

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                    @JonB

                    qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                    

                    prints -2 as expected

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                    • jsulmJ jsulm

                      @JonB I want to convert a signed short number not long or long long or ...
                      0xFFFE as signed short is -2 - do you agree (I mean independently from what Qt toShort() thinks it is)?

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                      @jsulm
                      I believe the problem here is a confusion between "bit representation" and "string representation".

                      • It is undoubtedly, unambiguously true that, for signed short, 0xFFFE as a bit pattern is -2.
                      • However, for signed short, 0xFFFE as a string "could" be either -2 (which fits in a short) or 65,534 (which does not fit in a short). And QString::toShort() is taking the latter interpretation, and hence erroring.
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                      • jsulmJ jsulm

                        @JonB

                        qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                        

                        prints -2 as expected

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                        @jsulm said in QString::toShort problem:

                        @JonB

                        qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                        

                        prints -2 as expected

                        qDebug() << (short)0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE;

                        prints also -2, would one expect that
                        0_1530172437505_306d84bf-e9ce-4724-acc5-5efc6bd718b5-image.png

                        actually yes, the first bytes are simply dropped x)


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                        • jsulmJ jsulm

                          @JonB

                          qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                          

                          prints -2 as expected

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                          @jsulm said in QString::toShort problem:

                          @JonB

                          qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                          

                          prints -2 as expected

                          Yes, that's why I wrote earlier:

                          One thing that is clear: the implementation of QString::toShort() is not static_cast<short>(QString::toUShort()), even if that might have been the way you were tempted to do it.

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                          • JonBJ JonB

                            @jsulm
                            I believe the problem here is a confusion between "bit representation" and "string representation".

                            • It is undoubtedly, unambiguously true that, for signed short, 0xFFFE as a bit pattern is -2.
                            • However, for signed short, 0xFFFE as a string "could" be either -2 (which fits in a short) or 65,534 (which does not fit in a short). And QString::toShort() is taking the latter interpretation, and hence erroring.
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                            @JonB said in QString::toShort problem:

                            However, for signed short, 0xFFFE as a string "could" be either -2 (which fits in a short) or 65,534

                            No, signed short 0xFFFE is -2 even as string, because I'm calling toShort() not toUShort().
                            And why does

                            qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                            

                            print -2?

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                            • JonBJ JonB

                              @jsulm said in QString::toShort problem:

                              @JonB

                              qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE;
                              

                              prints -2 as expected

                              Yes, that's why I wrote earlier:

                              One thing that is clear: the implementation of QString::toShort() is not static_cast<short>(QString::toUShort()), even if that might have been the way you were tempted to do it.

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                              @JonB said in QString::toShort problem:

                              the implementation of QString::toShort() is not static_cast<short>(QString::toUShort())

                              I never said that

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                              • jsulmJ jsulm

                                @JonB said in QString::toShort problem:

                                the implementation of QString::toShort() is not static_cast<short>(QString::toUShort())

                                I never said that

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                                @jsulm
                                But you're asking why qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE; prints -2. And I'm saying that's because of the way "cast-to-short" works in C++, which is simply not what the implementation of Qt's QString::toShort() does or purports to do.

                                Basically, "cast-to-short" ((short)) has no concept ever of "overflow/error", but QString::toShort() does have a concept of "overflow/error", and that's why they work differently. They are not intended to be equivalent.

                                [I am beginning to feel the need for @kshegunov 's moral support here, because I feel I am being attacked ( :( ) and it is indeed all to do with the overflowing he mentioned in his earlier reply.]

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                                  But you're asking why qDebug() << (short)0xFFFE; prints -2. And I'm saying that's because of the way "cast-to-short" works in C++, which is simply not what the implementation of Qt's QString::toShort() does or purports to do.

                                  Basically, "cast-to-short" ((short)) has no concept ever of "overflow/error", but QString::toShort() does have a concept of "overflow/error", and that's why they work differently. They are not intended to be equivalent.

                                  [I am beginning to feel the need for @kshegunov 's moral support here, because I feel I am being attacked ( :( ) and it is indeed all to do with the overflowing he mentioned in his earlier reply.]

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                                  @JonB What overflow error do you mean? 0xFFFE is a valid short number in both cases: signed and unsigned.

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                                    Hey, let's do it the russian way and settle this outside, huh? Take a breath people.

                                    @jsulm
                                    Johann, you're wrong simply because "0xFFFE" is not a negative number, but a string, that simple. I know that in 2's complement for short this is -2, but that's if you go to the actual implementation of the negative numbers. The fact of the matter is there have been implementations that do not use integer complements. This string is not a binary representation, that is all, so don't expect the function to assume it should convert in binary-like way! Otherwise, as Jonas pointed out earlier "0xFFFFFFFFFFE" should just expand to -2 as well due to truncations.

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                                    • jsulmJ jsulm

                                      @JonB What overflow error do you mean? 0xFFFE is a valid short number in both cases: signed and unsigned.

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                                      @jsulm

                                      @JonB What overflow error do you mean? 0xFFFE is a valid short number in both cases: signed and unsigned.

                                      0xFFFE as a bit-pattern is indeed a valid signed or unsigned bit-pattern for a short. But as a string to parse, for QString::toUShort() it's valid (65,534, which is OK for ushort), but for QString::toShort() it's a positive number greater than the positive limit of 32,767 for a short ("overflow").

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                                      • kshegunovK kshegunov

                                        Hey, let's do it the russian way and settle this outside, huh? Take a breath people.

                                        @jsulm
                                        Johann, you're wrong simply because "0xFFFE" is not a negative number, but a string, that simple. I know that in 2's complement for short this is -2, but that's if you go to the actual implementation of the negative numbers. The fact of the matter is there have been implementations that do not use integer complements. This string is not a binary representation, that is all, so don't expect the function to assume it should convert in binary-like way! Otherwise, as Jonas pointed out earlier "0xFFFFFFFFFFE" should just expand to -2 as well due to truncations.

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                                        @kshegunov said in QString::toShort problem:

                                        Hey, let's do it the russian way and settle this outside, huh? Take a breath people.

                                        LOL! Phew, that's what I needed from you! I thought you might be Russian: are you "Mafiosa", could you send some "heavies" round to @jsulm for me...? ;-)

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                                        • kshegunovK kshegunov

                                          Hey, let's do it the russian way and settle this outside, huh? Take a breath people.

                                          @jsulm
                                          Johann, you're wrong simply because "0xFFFE" is not a negative number, but a string, that simple. I know that in 2's complement for short this is -2, but that's if you go to the actual implementation of the negative numbers. The fact of the matter is there have been implementations that do not use integer complements. This string is not a binary representation, that is all, so don't expect the function to assume it should convert in binary-like way! Otherwise, as Jonas pointed out earlier "0xFFFFFFFFFFE" should just expand to -2 as well due to truncations.

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                                          @kshegunov "Hey, let's do it the russian way and settle this outside, huh?" - wait a bit I need to collect some more guys to have better arguments :-)
                                          OK, I see. But actually Qt "knows" for which platform it was built (2's complement or something else) and could interpret such strings accordingly. I guess Qt devs wanted to go safe route :-)
                                          @Bart_Vandewoestyne I would say @kshegunov suggested the correct solution:

                                          short hex2 = static_cast<short>(str2.toUShort(&ok2, 16));
                                          

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