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A weird bug? Why is there no spatial depth in my 3D scene?

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  • kshegunovK kshegunov

    @Finn said in A weird bug? Why is there no spatial depth in my 3D scene?:

    Maybe this is the origin of my problems?

    It's certainly possble.

    sudo make install
    

    Why do that? Your distro already provides a Qt release so my suspicion is there are some files (partially) overwritten. What I suggest is to reinstall you distro's Qt (by means of the package manager), then to configure the Qt you downloaded with a prefix (don't forget to make clean before doing the configure, or even to delete the whole folder and recreate it through the Qt installer), e.g.:

    ./configure -prefix /opt/Qt-5.7
    

    make and then it's safe to make install, because the files will go to /opt/Qt-5.7.
    Then you can configure a kit in creator (assuming this is what you use) that will use this version of Qt (in /opt/Qt-5.7).

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    #14

    @kshegunov No, I completely reinstalled everything to the folder /opt/Qt-5.7 by following your instructions and those in the tutorial (https://wiki.qt.io/Install_Qt_5_on_Ubuntu). Before, I deleted everything but the result is the same. So far I used CLion2016 and now I also tried the QtCreator - still the same outcome.

    I also added some axes (x=red, y=green, z=blue), which are instantiated after the spheres.

    view 1
    view 2

    Other ideas?

    main.cpp

    #include <QGuiApplication>
    #include <Qt3DCore>
    #include <Qt3DRender>
    #include <Qt3DExtras>
    
    Qt3DCore::QEntity* createTestScene() {
    
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* root = new Qt3DCore::QEntity;
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* smallGreenSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* bigRedSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
    
    
      Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* bigMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
      bigMesh->setRadius(5);
      bigMesh->setRings(100);
      bigMesh->setSlices(20);
    
      Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* smallMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
      smallMesh->setRadius(2);
      smallMesh->setRings(100);
      smallMesh->setSlices(20);
    
      Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* redMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
      redMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
      redMaterial->setShininess(10);
      redMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::red);
    
      Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* greenMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
      greenMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
      greenMaterial->setShininess(10);
      greenMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::green);
    
    
      Qt3DCore::QTransform* transform =  new Qt3DCore::QTransform;
      transform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,0,10));
    
      bigRedSphere->addComponent(redMaterial);
      bigRedSphere->addComponent(bigMesh);
    
      smallGreenSphere->addComponent(greenMaterial);
      smallGreenSphere->addComponent(smallMesh);
      smallGreenSphere->addComponent(transform);
    
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* xaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* yaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* zaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
    
      Qt3DExtras::QCylinderMesh* cylinderMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QCylinderMesh;
      cylinderMesh->setRadius(0.2);
      cylinderMesh->setLength(20);
      cylinderMesh->setRings(100);
      cylinderMesh->setSlices(20);
    
      Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* blueMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
      blueMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
      blueMaterial->setShininess(10);
      blueMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::blue);
    
      double pi = 3.14159265359;
      Qt3DCore::QTransform* xTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
      xTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(10,0,0));
      xTransform->setRotation(QQuaternion::fromAxisAndAngle(QVector3D(0,0,1),90));
      Qt3DCore::QTransform* yTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
      yTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,10,0));
      Qt3DCore::QTransform* zTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
      zTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,0,10));
      zTransform->setRotation(QQuaternion::fromAxisAndAngle(QVector3D(1,0,0),90));
    
    
      xaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
      xaxis->addComponent(redMaterial);
      xaxis->addComponent(xTransform);
      yaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
      yaxis->addComponent(greenMaterial);
      yaxis->addComponent(yTransform);
      zaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
      zaxis->addComponent(blueMaterial);
      zaxis->addComponent(zTransform);
    
      return root;
    }
    
    
    int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
    
      QGuiApplication app(argc, argv);
      Qt3DExtras::Qt3DWindow view;
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* scene = createTestScene();
    
      // camera
      Qt3DRender::QCamera *camera = view.camera();
      camera->lens()->setPerspectiveProjection(45, 16./9., 0.1,1000.);
      camera->setPosition(QVector3D(45,15,45));
      camera->setViewCenter(QVector3D(0, 0, 0));
    
      // manipulator
      Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController* manipulator = new Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController(scene);
      manipulator->setLinearSpeed(50);
      manipulator->setLookSpeed(180);
      manipulator->setCamera(camera);
    
      view.setRootEntity(scene);
    
      view.show();
    
      return app.exec();
    }
    
    

    CMakeLists.txt

    cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.2)
    
    project(QtCreatorTest)
    
    find_package(Qt5 REQUIRED COMPONENTS
            Core
            Gui
            Widgets
            3DCore
            3DExtras
            3DRender
            3DInput
            )
    
    add_executable("${PROJECT_NAME}_main" main.cpp)
    
    target_link_libraries("${PROJECT_NAME}_main"
            Qt5::Core
            Qt5::Gui
            Qt5::Widgets
            Qt5::3DCore
            Qt5::3DExtras
            Qt5::3DRender
            Qt5::3DInput
            )
    
    
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    • F Finn

      @kshegunov No, I completely reinstalled everything to the folder /opt/Qt-5.7 by following your instructions and those in the tutorial (https://wiki.qt.io/Install_Qt_5_on_Ubuntu). Before, I deleted everything but the result is the same. So far I used CLion2016 and now I also tried the QtCreator - still the same outcome.

      I also added some axes (x=red, y=green, z=blue), which are instantiated after the spheres.

      view 1
      view 2

      Other ideas?

      main.cpp

      #include <QGuiApplication>
      #include <Qt3DCore>
      #include <Qt3DRender>
      #include <Qt3DExtras>
      
      Qt3DCore::QEntity* createTestScene() {
      
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* root = new Qt3DCore::QEntity;
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* smallGreenSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* bigRedSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
      
      
        Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* bigMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
        bigMesh->setRadius(5);
        bigMesh->setRings(100);
        bigMesh->setSlices(20);
      
        Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* smallMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
        smallMesh->setRadius(2);
        smallMesh->setRings(100);
        smallMesh->setSlices(20);
      
        Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* redMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
        redMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
        redMaterial->setShininess(10);
        redMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::red);
      
        Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* greenMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
        greenMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
        greenMaterial->setShininess(10);
        greenMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::green);
      
      
        Qt3DCore::QTransform* transform =  new Qt3DCore::QTransform;
        transform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,0,10));
      
        bigRedSphere->addComponent(redMaterial);
        bigRedSphere->addComponent(bigMesh);
      
        smallGreenSphere->addComponent(greenMaterial);
        smallGreenSphere->addComponent(smallMesh);
        smallGreenSphere->addComponent(transform);
      
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* xaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* yaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* zaxis = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
      
        Qt3DExtras::QCylinderMesh* cylinderMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QCylinderMesh;
        cylinderMesh->setRadius(0.2);
        cylinderMesh->setLength(20);
        cylinderMesh->setRings(100);
        cylinderMesh->setSlices(20);
      
        Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* blueMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
        blueMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
        blueMaterial->setShininess(10);
        blueMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::blue);
      
        double pi = 3.14159265359;
        Qt3DCore::QTransform* xTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
        xTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(10,0,0));
        xTransform->setRotation(QQuaternion::fromAxisAndAngle(QVector3D(0,0,1),90));
        Qt3DCore::QTransform* yTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
        yTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,10,0));
        Qt3DCore::QTransform* zTransform = new Qt3DCore::QTransform();
        zTransform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,0,10));
        zTransform->setRotation(QQuaternion::fromAxisAndAngle(QVector3D(1,0,0),90));
      
      
        xaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
        xaxis->addComponent(redMaterial);
        xaxis->addComponent(xTransform);
        yaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
        yaxis->addComponent(greenMaterial);
        yaxis->addComponent(yTransform);
        zaxis->addComponent(cylinderMesh);
        zaxis->addComponent(blueMaterial);
        zaxis->addComponent(zTransform);
      
        return root;
      }
      
      
      int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
      
        QGuiApplication app(argc, argv);
        Qt3DExtras::Qt3DWindow view;
        Qt3DCore::QEntity* scene = createTestScene();
      
        // camera
        Qt3DRender::QCamera *camera = view.camera();
        camera->lens()->setPerspectiveProjection(45, 16./9., 0.1,1000.);
        camera->setPosition(QVector3D(45,15,45));
        camera->setViewCenter(QVector3D(0, 0, 0));
      
        // manipulator
        Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController* manipulator = new Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController(scene);
        manipulator->setLinearSpeed(50);
        manipulator->setLookSpeed(180);
        manipulator->setCamera(camera);
      
        view.setRootEntity(scene);
      
        view.show();
      
        return app.exec();
      }
      
      

      CMakeLists.txt

      cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.2)
      
      project(QtCreatorTest)
      
      find_package(Qt5 REQUIRED COMPONENTS
              Core
              Gui
              Widgets
              3DCore
              3DExtras
              3DRender
              3DInput
              )
      
      add_executable("${PROJECT_NAME}_main" main.cpp)
      
      target_link_libraries("${PROJECT_NAME}_main"
              Qt5::Core
              Qt5::Gui
              Qt5::Widgets
              Qt5::3DCore
              Qt5::3DExtras
              Qt5::3DRender
              Qt5::3DInput
              )
      
      
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      kshegunov
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      wrote on last edited by kshegunov
      #15

      @Finn
      This is really strange. I ran your code and it works perfectly fine for me (I use qmake with a kit for Qt 5.7 though). Here's what I see:

      And my project file is absolutely standard:

      QT       += core gui 3dcore 3drender 3dextras
      
      TARGET = balls-test
      TEMPLATE = app
      
      SOURCES += main.cpp
      

      [Edit: Fixed broken link]

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      • kshegunovK kshegunov

        @Finn
        This is really strange. I ran your code and it works perfectly fine for me (I use qmake with a kit for Qt 5.7 though). Here's what I see:

        And my project file is absolutely standard:

        QT       += core gui 3dcore 3drender 3dextras
        
        TARGET = balls-test
        TEMPLATE = app
        
        SOURCES += main.cpp
        

        [Edit: Fixed broken link]

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        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        @kshegunov I tried using qmake for building but again the same outcome.

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        • F Finn

          @kshegunov I tried using qmake for building but again the same outcome.

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          kshegunov
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          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          Honestly, I'd be surprised if there was a difference between using cmake and qmake. And to be completely frank I don't know what might be the cause of the problem. My current best advice is to either bring the question to the mailing list, where hopefully one of the developers of Qt3D will pick it up (but after you check there's no open bugs on this), or try and wait for some other suggestion from other of our members here.

          Kind regards.

          Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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          • kshegunovK kshegunov

            Honestly, I'd be surprised if there was a difference between using cmake and qmake. And to be completely frank I don't know what might be the cause of the problem. My current best advice is to either bring the question to the mailing list, where hopefully one of the developers of Qt3D will pick it up (but after you check there's no open bugs on this), or try and wait for some other suggestion from other of our members here.

            Kind regards.

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            wrote on last edited by Finn
            #18

            I tried it on my private MacBook Pro with MacOS Sierra 10.12.1 and installed Qt5 via brew install qt5. The result is still the same. What on earth can be the reason that it is working for you guys and not for me? Do I need some other libraries or build options?

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              #19

              Sorry, as a noobie, I can't offer any insight, but I ran the code, and I'm getting the same as Finn. I'm on Qt 5.7 on Win 10.

              alt text

              Could it be CPU or GPU related? I'm on a 6coreAMD machine.

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                Sorry, as a noobie, I can't offer any insight, but I ran the code, and I'm getting the same as Finn. I'm on Qt 5.7 on Win 10.

                alt text

                Could it be CPU or GPU related? I'm on a 6coreAMD machine.

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                #20

                @Ian-Bray Thank you for your reply, this was very helpful! I would suggest that someone more experienced than me should report this as a bug.

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                  @Ian-Bray Thank you for your reply, this was very helpful! I would suggest that someone more experienced than me should report this as a bug.

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                  wrote on last edited by kshegunov
                  #21

                  @Finn said in A weird bug? Why is there no spatial depth in my 3D scene?:

                  this was very helpfu

                  Indeed, it was.

                  I would suggest that someone more experienced than me should report this as a bug.

                  There's nothing to it, you just describe the problem and attach the screenshots and the code from upstairs as a minimal reproducible example (preferably with a simple project file). As for the problem itself it may be helpful if we can squeeze some more information out. I may be running a newer (or older) version of Qt compared to you. Can you both state the full version (with patch number). I'm running Qt 5.7.2 built from git some time ago on a Linux 4.8.11 kernel.

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                  • kshegunovK kshegunov

                    @Finn said in A weird bug? Why is there no spatial depth in my 3D scene?:

                    this was very helpfu

                    Indeed, it was.

                    I would suggest that someone more experienced than me should report this as a bug.

                    There's nothing to it, you just describe the problem and attach the screenshots and the code from upstairs as a minimal reproducible example (preferably with a simple project file). As for the problem itself it may be helpful if we can squeeze some more information out. I may be running a newer (or older) version of Qt compared to you. Can you both state the full version (with patch number). I'm running Qt 5.7.2 built from git some time ago on a Linux 4.8.11 kernel.

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                    #22

                    @kshegunov

                    I'm using qt-opensource-windows-x86-mingw530-5.7.0 on Win 10, if I get a chance I'll try it on Linux later.

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                      #23

                      Sorry, this isn't going to be helpful. Just to report that both slabs of code crashed on Qt 5.7.1 GCC 64 on latest Mint.
                      Possibly due to lack of RAM. Not sure.

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                        Sorry, this isn't going to be helpful. Just to report that both slabs of code crashed on Qt 5.7.1 GCC 64 on latest Mint.
                        Possibly due to lack of RAM. Not sure.

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                        #24

                        @Ian-Bray With Qt 5.7.1 the example works now perfectly fine for me.

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                        • F Finn

                          @Ian-Bray With Qt 5.7.1 the example works now perfectly fine for me.

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                          #25

                          Then probably it's a bug that was fixed with the patch version in the meantime. Cheers!

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                            @Ian-Bray With Qt 5.7.1 the example works now perfectly fine for me.

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                            @Finn Thanks Finn. I'll update later!

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                            • kshegunovK kshegunov

                              Then probably it's a bug that was fixed with the patch version in the meantime. Cheers!

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                              #27

                              @kshegunov Must have been quite a big one. I ran the 3d Materials Example on 5.7.0 two days ago - it was horrible. I updated to 5.7.1 yesterday and ran it again - works perfect now.

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                                @kshegunov Must have been quite a big one. I ran the 3d Materials Example on 5.7.0 two days ago - it was horrible. I updated to 5.7.1 yesterday and ran it again - works perfect now.

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                                Well, 5.7.0 was Qt3D's first official release, and the code hasn't matured as much as the other modules, so some bumps along the road are expected. My biggest beef with Qt3D actually is its very thin documentation, but I'm sure that'll improve with time.:)

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                                • F Finn

                                  I want to use Qt3D within Qt5.7 to plot a 3D scene (a chemical molecule) which I want to rotate.
                                  The problem is that my 3D objects are not displayed according to their spatial positioning. The last created QEntity is always in the foreground, regardless of how I rotate the camera.
                                  In the minimum working example below, the QEntity smallGreenSphere is always in the foreground even though it is spatially positioned behind bigRedSphere in the default view specified in the camera settings.
                                  To rephrase the problem: My 3D scene has no depth.

                                  Please note that smallGreenSphere is instantiated after bigRedSphere in the main.cpp file shown below:

                                  #include <QGuiApplication>
                                  #include <Qt3DCore>
                                  #include <Qt3DRender>
                                  #include <Qt3DExtras>
                                  
                                  Qt3DCore::QEntity* createTestScene() {
                                  
                                    Qt3DCore::QEntity* root = new Qt3DCore::QEntity;
                                    Qt3DCore::QEntity* bigRedSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
                                    Qt3DCore::QEntity* smallGreenSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
                                  
                                    Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* bigMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
                                    bigMesh->setRadius(5);
                                    bigMesh->setRings(100);
                                    bigMesh->setSlices(20);
                                  
                                    Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh* smallMesh = new Qt3DExtras::QSphereMesh;
                                    smallMesh->setRadius(2);
                                    smallMesh->setRings(100);
                                    smallMesh->setSlices(20);
                                  
                                    Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* redMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
                                    redMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
                                    redMaterial->setShininess(10);
                                    redMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::red);
                                  
                                    Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial* greenMaterial = new Qt3DExtras::QPhongMaterial;
                                    greenMaterial->setSpecular(Qt::white);
                                    greenMaterial->setShininess(10);
                                    greenMaterial->setAmbient(Qt::green);
                                  
                                    Qt3DCore::QTransform* transform =  new Qt3DCore::QTransform;
                                    transform->setTranslation(QVector3D(0,0,10));
                                  
                                    bigRedSphere->addComponent(redMaterial);
                                    bigRedSphere->addComponent(bigMesh);
                                  
                                    smallGreenSphere->addComponent(greenMaterial);
                                    smallGreenSphere->addComponent(smallMesh);
                                    smallGreenSphere->addComponent(transform);
                                  
                                    return root;
                                  }
                                  
                                  
                                  int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
                                    
                                    QGuiApplication app(argc, argv);
                                    Qt3DExtras::Qt3DWindow view;
                                    Qt3DCore::QEntity* scene = createTestScene();
                                  
                                    // camera
                                    Qt3DRender::QCamera *camera = view.camera();
                                    camera->lens()->setPerspectiveProjection(45, 16./9., 0.1,1000.);
                                    camera->setPosition(QVector3D(30., 0, 60.));
                                    camera->setViewCenter(QVector3D(0, 0, 0));
                                  
                                    // manipulator
                                    Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController* manipulator = new Qt3DExtras::QOrbitCameraController(scene);
                                    manipulator->setLinearSpeed(50);
                                    manipulator->setLookSpeed(180);
                                    manipulator->setCamera(camera);
                                  
                                  view.setRootEntity(scene);
                                  
                                  view.show();
                                  
                                  return app.exec();
                                  }
                                  

                                  This results in the following scene: Image of the result
                                  Please note that I did not rotate anything manually and that this is the output of the code above.

                                  If I now swap the order of instantiation in createTestScene() by

                                  Qt3DCore::QEntity* smallGreenSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
                                  Qt3DCore::QEntity* bigRedSphere = new Qt3DCore::QEntity(root);
                                  

                                  so that bigRedSphere is now instantiated after smallGreenSphere, the bigRedSphere is always in the foreground and the resulting scene (again without manual rotation) looks like this: Image of the result

                                  This proves that the order of instantiation determines what sphere is displayed in the foreground.

                                  How can I obtain the correct 3D view regardless of the order of instantiation? Do I have to use some different rendering technique?
                                  Thanks in advance for your help and please consider that I am new to Qt, Qt3D, and rendering in your answer.

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                                  For further reference this issue seems solved as described in this post.

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