Tizen - the New Operating System



  • bq. Today, the Linux Foundation and LiMo* announced Tizen™, an open-source, standards-based software platform for multiple device categories, including smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, netbooks and in-vehicle infotainment systems. Tizen builds upon MeeGo* and LiMo and will deliver an application framework built upon HTML5/WAC 2.0 standards to help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS's, app stores, and devices.

    So this will be the successor of MeeGo. For more information "please visit tizen.org":https://www.tizen.org/about and "What's Next for MeeGo":https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego

    Does anyone of you know if it will support Qt apps like MeeGo did?



  • thanks for the info



  • I'm shocked, HTML5 - OMG :-/



  • [quote author="leon.anavi" date="1317189479"]
    Does anyone of you know if it will support Qt apps like MeeGo did?[/quote]

    No mention on Qt. They speak all about HTML5... Let the dust to settle...



  • [quote][tizen.org] For those who use native code in their applications, the Tizen SDK will include a native development kit.[/quote]

    One might interpret that Limo will provide the HTML5 API and MeeGo will provide the native API, beeing naturally Qt / Qt Mobility / QML. So I assume yes, Tizen will allow native applications based on the Qt / Meego API.

    If there wouldn't be a Qt API there is no sense in merging the MeeGo project. MeeGo (Harmattan) basically is Qt / Qt Mobility / QML.



  • [quote author="Vass" date="1317190910"]I'm shocked, HTML5 - OMG :-/[/quote]

    [quote author="minimoog77" date="1317190912"]
    [quote author="leon.anavi" date="1317189479"]
    Does anyone of you know if it will support Qt apps like MeeGo did?[/quote]

    No mention on Qt. They speak all about HTML5... Let the dust to settle...

    [/quote]

    Please read the article "New Tizen™ platform from Linux Foundation & LiMo with support from Intel AppUp":http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/09/27/new-tizen-platform-linux-foundation-limo-intel-appup by Bob Duffy.

    bq. And on the netbook side the MeeGo neetbook apps in the Intel AppUp center will be compatible and will run unchanged with Tizen netbook. So for those developers who invested in MeeGo for netbooks your apps will continue on Tizen netbooks.

    In my opinion this means that Qt apps compatible with MeeGo will run on Tizen. :)



  • As long as Qt is with Nokia it cannot make into Tizen which is a competition to Nokia's platforms itself. Simple business rule, why would Nokia invest on something what would make the competition stronger.
    But the silver lining is that, since Qt is moving to Open Governance there should be some fair change. My opinion is that you need not re-invent the wheel when you have all sort of Mobility, and UI frameworks available at hand in the form of Qt.



  • Man, they really aren't great at picking names for these projects are they.

    I am going to withhold judgement on the actual project until there are some more details. Hopefully this isn't going to turn into yet another round of ripping things up and starting again like the moblin + maemo -> MeeGo shift.

    There is potential for this to all go horribly wrong if it's not managed properly. I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers. :-S



  • so it seems for sure that Qt is not a first citizen in Tizen .... so minus one area for Qt, we only have Symbian (ah ah ah) and the billion strategy ! so sad that political came over technical !



  • Just follow the IRC channel - very enlightening.

    This project is pure chaos, not even the officials do know anything right now. Don't bet on anything.

    Native SDK means native code means Qt, even if not officially supported.



  • "MeeGo Makes Way For Tizen, An All New HTML5 Centered OS":http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/09/28/tizen/

    "Zombie mobile Linuxes mate":http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/zombie_linux_merger/
    [quote]The two leading mobile Linux flops are merging, according to a reputable source: LiMo and MeeGo are throwing their lot in together to produce one unified mobile Linux flop[/quote]



  • [quote author="srikanthsombhatla" date="1317192179"]As long as Qt is with Nokia it cannot make into Tizen which is a competition to Nokia's platforms itself. Simple business rule, why would Nokia invest on something what would make the competition stronger.[/quote]

    Eh... so you are saying that nobody can make Android devices because Google now makes their own (remember: they bought motorola), to name just one counter example?

    Edit:
    Anyway... I don't see yet another merge in this project being succesful any time soon. Remeber how much time it took before Meamo and Moblin finally became a sort-of usable platform again? I get the feeling that it cost at least a year in development, and this move is not going to take much less, I think. If they were interested in getting an HTML-based platform, then I really don't get why they didn't just buy WebOS. Seems like they want to recreate that, if you ask me.



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1317197724"]
    Eh... so you are saying that nobody can make Android devices because Google now makes their own (remember: they bought motorola), to name just one counter example?
    [/quote]

    At the bottom of their heart - YES. Only reason why most OEMs went with Android is because they do not have a choice (Symbian/S60 is pathetic by 2008). Why OEMs continue with Android is because of it is wide spread, dev base, apps and google's muscle. And a matter of fact, why Sammy the most successful Android OEM kick starts another OS? Clearly they know Google will eat their food.



  • One more news:
    "Nomovok provides Tizen with integrated Qt":http://nomovok.com/news/56/73/Nomovok-provides-Tizen-with-integrated-Qt



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1317197724"][I don't see yet another merge in this project being succesful any time soon. Remeber how much time it took before Meamo and Moblin finally became a sort-of usable platform again? I get the feeling that it cost at least a year in development, and this move is not going to take much less, I think.
    [/quote]

    Absolutely, the first release of Tizen and its SDK is expected in the first quarter of 2012. Which means that it will take about a year for stable releases for the mass market.

    I look at MeeGo and Tizen as experimental projects and I am enjoying spending some time ti play with them. So if the experiment is successful then it is even better :)

    [quote author="Vass" date="1317215892"]One more news:
    "Nomovok provides Tizen with integrated Qt":http://nomovok.com/news/56/73/Nomovok-provides-Tizen-with-integrated-Qt[/quote]

    Thanks for sharing! Now we can sleep calm - Qt will be present on Tizen :)



  • I suspect, (but don’t know) that Tizen will not support Qt. I’m guessing that it was the price to get Samsung to the party. But since it’s all open source, there will be community support.

    One key issue is the mobility API’s. I wonder if they will use the Qt mobility or have an alternative.

    I don’t think of Tizen as a Android competitor, but rather as competing with ChromeOS



  • Don't count on community support to work magic everywhere. Sure, there may be a (partially?) working port created at one moment or another, but does not mean solid support that you can rely on.



  • True. In this particular case I think the community is fed up.



  • I meant to say, if there is demand, and if the device is not locked down, (like windows mobile, and iPhone) companies like ICS, (and others) will provide support and then then feed back to via Open Governance.



  • Just seen this in twitter

    #Qt will be supported on netbooks but not other #Tizen device platforms. #AppUpElements
    http://twitter.com/#!/MeeGoExperts/status/119218514962812929





  • Bad news from Tizen mailing lists:

    Carsten Haitzler wrote:

    bq. for native, tizen uses EFL ( http://www.enlightenment.org ). EFL does not
    preclude the ability to have an use other toolkits/libraries. the EFL API is a
    C API.



  • Hi all,

    I am aware that this post has not been updated for quite a while. But on the ocassion Tizen releasing its first SDK and architecture overview,

    "Tizen Overview":https://source.tizen.org/platform_overview.html

    I would like to ask if there are any 'rumors' now about Qt in the core of tizen?

    cheers
    simon



  • [quote author="simonbolek" date="1326445388"]I would like to ask if there are any 'rumors' now about Qt in the core of tizen?
    [/quote]

    I haven't heart any rumors yet. I had brief glance of the released "Tizen documentation":https://developer.tizen.org/doc.html and I didn't see anything about Qt :(
    Despite the lack of Qt the leaked screenshots look impressive and the web apps development seems interesting and perspective!



  • @simonbolek Nothing.

    Tizen Core work on EFL now. You can check it if you look on Tizen sources on official site.



  • Hm, I'm not so happy :(

    Qt development in mobil devices, in the future:

    Meego and Tizen won't be supported by Nokia (we have only one Meego device = N9).
    WP7 is a completely different line.
    We have only Symbian Anna/Belle (S60? hahaha...) which are, I think, bad line for Nokia (and for us...).
    So, I don't believe in the "next billion" device with Qt.


  • Moderators

    On the other hand, we can code for Android, which has majority of the market now :) And there is iOS post, which gives us even more market to aim at. And, last but not least, WP7 NDK is probably going to come in mid 2012.



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1326470953"]On the other hand, we can code for Android, which has majority of the market now :) And there is iOS post, which gives us even more market to aim at. And, last but not least, WP7 NDK is probably going to come in mid 2012.[/quote]

    I have only a small problem :)
    I don't like Java.
    I don't know Objective-C.
    And in WP7-NDK which C++ will we have?:
    MFC (oouuhhhh)?
    WinForms?
    WinRT (this is a very new thing again...)?


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    I've done some apps for Android without writing a single line in Java. I don't know the state of iOS port, so I can't say too much on that. It's still a QPA port, so most probably no or almost no Objective-C is needed.

    @WP7 - C++ itself as the base, whatever you want on top. There is an ongoing poll on WP7 forum about Qt support, it's getting quite popular, and it was started by MS itself.

    No need to complain, really. No need to be too angry at Nokia, too. Their resources aren't infinite, and well, their bosses do make their decisions, and will see the consequences. That's the beauty of the market economy - some day we will see, whether that was a good decision or not. Even if they would fail, Qt will live on. Trolls working on Qt are definitely investing 100% of their time into Qt, you can clearly see that if you watch amount of commits in all Qt repositories.



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1326472643"]@WP7 - C++ itself as the base, whatever you want on top. There is an ongoing poll on WP7 forum about Qt support, it's getting quite popular, and it was started by MS itself.[/quote]

    Do you have a link?


  • Moderators

    http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform/suggestions/2440602-qt-support

    Everyone has up to 3 votes, all can be given to one idea.



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1326472643"]I've done some apps for Android without...[/quote]

    I have programmed several years in Java, IMHO C++ is much better.
    QPA port is only in basic state, as I know.
    I can't belive in MS :)
    And yes, I'm angry. Nokia made/make completely different decisions every half a year. This is annoying! They will lost our reliance. I see nothing clear line into the future...
    I invested a lot of time in Qt, I have read several books, I've done all the 3 exams. At the end of this, the Nokia announced that they will propose the WP7 platform :(


  • Moderators

    Well, I won't help you with your depression ;) at leas not on this forum. Sure, I'd love to see Nokia financing and implementing Qt on Android, iOS, WP, but this is not happening. Situation was/ seemed grim or even gave a year ago, true, but currently, I'm happy with how things are going. Community is kicking in, Trolls are still Trolls, Qt5 is progressing beautifully forwards, even RIM has Qt port now... no worries :D

    Right, I think that's enough for an OT, let's allow others to continue their talk on Tizen.



  • I can't share your optimism, but it's all the same :):):)



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1326472987"]http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform/suggestions/2440602-qt-support

    Everyone has up to 3 votes, all can be given to one idea.[/quote]

    Thanks. Let's make for some +3s.



  • Hmmm... interesting. It "seems":http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethwoyke/2012/01/13/samsung-merging-its-bada-os-with-intel-backed-tizen-project/ Samsung is merging Bada into Tizen as well.



  • Samsung Bada and Intel Tizen now combined and will create new eco system.



  • Yes i look that site today and Qt is the third project :P

    [quote author="sierdzio" date="1326472987"]http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform/suggestions/2440602-qt-support

    Everyone has up to 3 votes, all can be given to one idea.[/quote]



  • So no Qt in "new Tizen SDK":https://developer.tizen.org/sdk ....



  • Videos of "all presentations during Tizen conference were published online":https://www.tizen.org/conference/tizen-developer-conference/schedule. Although HTML5 is the main topic I guess that many of you will be interested in.


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