Tizen - the New Operating System

leon.anavi

[quote author="Vass" date="1317190910"]I'm shocked, HTML5 - OMG :-/[/quote]

[quote author="minimoog77" date="1317190912"]
[quote author="leon.anavi" date="1317189479"]
Does anyone of you know if it will support Qt apps like MeeGo did?[/quote]

No mention on Qt. They speak all about HTML5... Let the dust to settle...

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Please read the article "New Tizen™ platform from Linux Foundation & LiMo with support from Intel AppUp":http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/09/27/new-tizen-platform-linux-foundation-limo-intel-appup by Bob Duffy.

bq. And on the netbook side the MeeGo neetbook apps in the Intel AppUp center will be compatible and will run unchanged with Tizen netbook. So for those developers who invested in MeeGo for netbooks your apps will continue on Tizen netbooks.

In my opinion this means that Qt apps compatible with MeeGo will run on Tizen. :)

srikanth_trulyit

As long as Qt is with Nokia it cannot make into Tizen which is a competition to Nokia's platforms itself. Simple business rule, why would Nokia invest on something what would make the competition stronger.
But the silver lining is that, since Qt is moving to Open Governance there should be some fair change. My opinion is that you need not re-invent the wheel when you have all sort of Mobility, and UI frameworks available at hand in the form of Qt.

kidproquo

Man, they really aren't great at picking names for these projects are they.

I am going to withhold judgement on the actual project until there are some more details. Hopefully this isn't going to turn into yet another round of ripping things up and starting again like the moblin + maemo -> MeeGo shift.

There is potential for this to all go horribly wrong if it's not managed properly. I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers. :-S

qtnext

so it seems for sure that Qt is not a first citizen in Tizen .... so minus one area for Qt, we only have Symbian (ah ah ah) and the billion strategy ! so sad that political came over technical !

lgeyer

Just follow the IRC channel - very enlightening.

This project is pure chaos, not even the officials do know anything right now. Don't bet on anything.

Native SDK means native code means Qt, even if not officially supported.

lgeyer

"MeeGo Makes Way For Tizen, An All New HTML5 Centered OS":http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/09/28/tizen/

"Zombie mobile Linuxes mate":http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/zombie_linux_merger/
[quote]The two leading mobile Linux flops are merging, according to a reputable source: LiMo and MeeGo are throwing their lot in together to produce one unified mobile Linux flop[/quote]

andre

[quote author="srikanthsombhatla" date="1317192179"]As long as Qt is with Nokia it cannot make into Tizen which is a competition to Nokia's platforms itself. Simple business rule, why would Nokia invest on something what would make the competition stronger.[/quote]

Eh... so you are saying that nobody can make Android devices because Google now makes their own (remember: they bought motorola), to name just one counter example?

Edit:
Anyway... I don't see yet another merge in this project being succesful any time soon. Remeber how much time it took before Meamo and Moblin finally became a sort-of usable platform again? I get the feeling that it cost at least a year in development, and this move is not going to take much less, I think. If they were interested in getting an HTML-based platform, then I really don't get why they didn't just buy WebOS. Seems like they want to recreate that, if you ask me.

srikanth_trulyit

[quote author="Andre" date="1317197724"]
Eh... so you are saying that nobody can make Android devices because Google now makes their own (remember: they bought motorola), to name just one counter example?
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At the bottom of their heart - YES. Only reason why most OEMs went with Android is because they do not have a choice (Symbian/S60 is pathetic by 2008). Why OEMs continue with Android is because of it is wide spread, dev base, apps and google's muscle. And a matter of fact, why Sammy the most successful Android OEM kick starts another OS? Clearly they know Google will eat their food.

vsorokin

One more news:
"Nomovok provides Tizen with integrated Qt":http://nomovok.com/news/56/73/Nomovok-provides-Tizen-with-integrated-Qt

leon.anavi

[quote author="Andre" date="1317197724"][I don't see yet another merge in this project being succesful any time soon. Remeber how much time it took before Meamo and Moblin finally became a sort-of usable platform again? I get the feeling that it cost at least a year in development, and this move is not going to take much less, I think.
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Absolutely, the first release of Tizen and its SDK is expected in the first quarter of 2012. Which means that it will take about a year for stable releases for the mass market.

I look at MeeGo and Tizen as experimental projects and I am enjoying spending some time ti play with them. So if the experiment is successful then it is even better :)

[quote author="Vass" date="1317215892"]One more news:
"Nomovok provides Tizen with integrated Qt":http://nomovok.com/news/56/73/Nomovok-provides-Tizen-with-integrated-Qt[/quote]

Thanks for sharing! Now we can sleep calm - Qt will be present on Tizen :)

PeterWinston

I suspect, (but don’t know) that Tizen will not support Qt. I’m guessing that it was the price to get Samsung to the party. But since it’s all open source, there will be community support.

One key issue is the mobility API’s. I wonder if they will use the Qt mobility or have an alternative.

I don’t think of Tizen as a Android competitor, but rather as competing with ChromeOS

andre

Don't count on community support to work magic everywhere. Sure, there may be a (partially?) working port created at one moment or another, but does not mean solid support that you can rely on.

mario

True. In this particular case I think the community is fed up.

PeterWinston

I meant to say, if there is demand, and if the device is not locked down, (like windows mobile, and iPhone) companies like ICS, (and others) will provide support and then then feed back to via Open Governance.

srikanth_trulyit

Just seen this in twitter

#Qt will be supported on netbooks but not other #Tizen device platforms. #AppUpElements
http://twitter.com/#!/MeeGoExperts/status/119218514962812929

vsorokin

srikanthsombhatla, right, pruff link: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/09/27/new-tizen-platform-linux-foundation-limo-intel-appup See comment of Bob Duffy

vsorokin

Bad news from Tizen mailing lists:

Carsten Haitzler wrote:

bq. for native, tizen uses EFL ( http://www.enlightenment.org ). EFL does not
preclude the ability to have an use other toolkits/libraries. the EFL API is a
C API.

simonbolek

Hi all,

I am aware that this post has not been updated for quite a while. But on the ocassion Tizen releasing its first SDK and architecture overview,

"Tizen Overview":https://source.tizen.org/platform_overview.html

I would like to ask if there are any 'rumors' now about Qt in the core of tizen?

cheers
simon

leon.anavi

[quote author="simonbolek" date="1326445388"]I would like to ask if there are any 'rumors' now about Qt in the core of tizen?
[/quote]

I haven't heart any rumors yet. I had brief glance of the released "Tizen documentation":https://developer.tizen.org/doc.html and I didn't see anything about Qt :(
Despite the lack of Qt the leaked screenshots look impressive and the web apps development seems interesting and perspective!

vsorokin

@simonbolek Nothing.

Tizen Core work on EFL now. You can check it if you look on Tizen sources on official site.