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Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?

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    elfring
    wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 11:56 last edited by
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    The development of SQL data models can be useful for some software applications. Some applications might prefer to work still with a standard item model for a while instead.

    How often do you see the need to convert database information into the other programming interface by corresponding proxy model classes?

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      22 Oct 2018, 11:56

      The development of SQL data models can be useful for some software applications. Some applications might prefer to work still with a standard item model for a while instead.

      How often do you see the need to convert database information into the other programming interface by corresponding proxy model classes?

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      VRonin
      wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 13:47 last edited by
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      @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

      Some applications might prefer to work still with a standard item model for a while instead

      May I ask why?

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        22 Oct 2018, 13:47

        @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

        Some applications might prefer to work still with a standard item model for a while instead

        May I ask why?

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        elfring
        wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 13:52 last edited by
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        May I ask why?

        • Possible change resistance
        • Unclear development efforts (and additional dependencies) for a software transformation to better SQL data models
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          22 Oct 2018, 13:52

          May I ask why?

          • Possible change resistance
          • Unclear development efforts (and additional dependencies) for a software transformation to better SQL data models
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          VRonin
          wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 13:58 last edited by
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          @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

          Possible change resistance

          Deal with it.
          If you mean change in code, by only interacting with QStandardItemModel via the QAbstractItemModel interface as I always suggest, makes changing the model a matter of 1 code line

          Unclear development efforts (and additional dependencies)

          The additional dependency is the SQL module. Hard to get around it if you want to interact with an SQL database

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            22 Oct 2018, 13:58

            @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

            Possible change resistance

            Deal with it.
            If you mean change in code, by only interacting with QStandardItemModel via the QAbstractItemModel interface as I always suggest, makes changing the model a matter of 1 code line

            Unclear development efforts (and additional dependencies)

            The additional dependency is the SQL module. Hard to get around it if you want to interact with an SQL database

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            elfring
            wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:07 last edited by
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            … if you want to interact with an SQL database

            Unfortunately, the Qt software documentation mentions specific limitations for the class “QSqlTableModel” so far.

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              wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:10 last edited by
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              Do you mean the ones solved by QSqlRelationalTableModel and QSqlRelationalDelegate mentioned in the documentation you are linking to ?

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                22 Oct 2018, 14:10

                Do you mean the ones solved by QSqlRelationalTableModel and QSqlRelationalDelegate mentioned in the documentation you are linking to ?

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                elfring
                wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:18 last edited by
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                Maybe.

                Do both table model classes share still the main restriction on editing from a single database table?

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                  wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:23 last edited by
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                  It's not a restriction, it's how the class works. QSqlTableModel as it name suggest allows access to one table.

                  So what exactly are you after ?
                  Specify a real situation
                  Specify a real need

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                  • S SGaist
                    22 Oct 2018, 14:23

                    It's not a restriction, it's how the class works. QSqlTableModel as it name suggest allows access to one table.

                    So what exactly are you after ?
                    Specify a real situation
                    Specify a real need

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                    elfring
                    wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:28 last edited by
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                    QSqlTableModel as it name suggest allows access to one table.

                    Can such classes collaborate also with database views?

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                      22 Oct 2018, 14:28

                      QSqlTableModel as it name suggest allows access to one table.

                      Can such classes collaborate also with database views?

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                      VRonin
                      wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:37 last edited by
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                      From the article you linked:

                      If the database system can determine the reverse mapping from the view schema to the schema of the underlying base tables, then the view is updatable. INSERT, UPDATE, and DELETE operations can be performed on updatable views.

                      Since there's no generic way for a Qt model to know that, it is left to the user to implement using QSqlQuery directly

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                        22 Oct 2018, 14:37

                        From the article you linked:

                        If the database system can determine the reverse mapping from the view schema to the schema of the underlying base tables, then the view is updatable. INSERT, UPDATE, and DELETE operations can be performed on updatable views.

                        Since there's no generic way for a Qt model to know that, it is left to the user to implement using QSqlQuery directly

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                        elfring
                        wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 14:44 last edited by
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                        Would it be nicer if a table model can determine if it is based on an updatable view?

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                          VRonin
                          wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 15:09 last edited by VRonin
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                          Yes, but once again

                          @VRonin said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

                          there's no generic way for a Qt model to know that

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                            22 Oct 2018, 15:09

                            Yes, but once again

                            @VRonin said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

                            there's no generic way for a Qt model to know that

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                            elfring
                            wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 15:39 last edited by
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                            Do full-featured standard item models become a bit more attractive then?

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                              wrote on 22 Oct 2018, 19:06 last edited by
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                              Attractive for what ?

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                                22 Oct 2018, 19:06

                                Attractive for what ?

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                                elfring
                                wrote on 28 Oct 2018, 13:10 last edited by
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                                Would you like to compare the attractiveness of the mentioned data model variants any further?

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                                  wrote on 28 Oct 2018, 21:45 last edited by
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                                  I'll let you start by providing the analysis you want to discuss about.

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                                    28 Oct 2018, 21:45

                                    I'll let you start by providing the analysis you want to discuss about.

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                                    elfring
                                    wrote on 29 Oct 2018, 08:49 last edited by
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                                    Is there a “development competition” going on between data processing by SQL queries and/or Qt standard items?

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                                      29 Oct 2018, 08:49

                                      Is there a “development competition” going on between data processing by SQL queries and/or Qt standard items?

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                                      wrote on 29 Oct 2018, 09:17 last edited by JKSH
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                                      @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

                                      Is there a “development competition” going on between data processing by SQL queries and/or Qt standard items?

                                      No, there is no competition going on.

                                      @elfring, what is your goal for asking us these questions? Are you trying to get us to write a "software extension" for you?

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                                        29 Oct 2018, 09:17

                                        @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

                                        Is there a “development competition” going on between data processing by SQL queries and/or Qt standard items?

                                        No, there is no competition going on.

                                        @elfring, what is your goal for asking us these questions? Are you trying to get us to write a "software extension" for you?

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                                        elfring
                                        wrote on 29 Oct 2018, 09:57 last edited by
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                                        I hope that more software evolution can happen in this area so that the switching between discussed data models might become easier.

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                                          29 Oct 2018, 09:57

                                          I hope that more software evolution can happen in this area so that the switching between discussed data models might become easier.

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                                          wrote on 29 Oct 2018, 23:44 last edited by JKSH
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                                          @elfring said in Conversion of a SQL model into a standard item model?:

                                          I hope that more software evolution can happen in this area so that the switching between discussed data models might become easier.

                                          We will not perform this "software evolution" because we cannot see any good reason to provide additional conversion/switching between QSqlTableModel and QStandardItemModel. Furthermore, none of your posts above provide convincing arguments for this conversion/switching.

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