Experiences on paid applications



  • Folks,

    In another discussion two folks here asked me about my experience on paid applications but that place isn't appropriate in my opinion so I am starting this discussion now.

    I work for a local Albanian company on which I am creating Qt desktop application, on the other hand I have my own software firm which is my playground, whenever I am developing I release under that name. On February I will change my current job to another company which I will be a Nokia Software Engineer and create mobile application on which we would then sell.

    In recent days I am working on an application which I am planning to sell it on Ovi, I am registered on Ovi and the application is complete but due to holidays the bank on which I have the account isn't working in order to complete the bank information form on Ovi.

    The application is a "Boxee":http://boxee.tv/ Remote on which you can create a Boxee machine and use this remote from your Symbian phone.

    My experience so far is very good, but a bit cumbersome comparing it to Android Market, because you would need to wait several days until the approval and also you need developer certificates etc etc. and when I opened the Android Market account it was a matter of minutes when you try to publish an application, but I think this is a matter of time for Ovi, because also when you try to publish Nokia will test your application etc. on which Google is not doing to its developers.

    I will update this post in the future with my experience after I publish the application next week.

    Here is the screenshot:

    !http://i.imgur.com/s6DSf.jpg(ss1)!



  • Milot, what pricing model do you plan to use? A simple fixed price/instance, freemium, or limited demo + paid version, etc.?



  • Milot: thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for.

    Keep us posted of your experience. Getting your application to work on the maemo platform should not take more than a recompile and packaging, as long as is 100% Qt of course.

    If you decide to try and don't want to get a new phone I will be more than willing to help you with it (no strings attached - I am just interested in finding out more about distributing applications on ovi)



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293390364"]Milot, what pricing model do you plan to use? A simple fixed price/instance, freemium, or limited demo + paid version, etc.?[/quote]

    I am planning to sell it for 1 Euro, because it is cheap and the application is very functional.



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293391182"]Milot: thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for.

    Keep us posted of your experience. Getting your application to work on the maemo platform should not take more than a recompile and packaging, as long as is 100% Qt of course.

    If you decide to try and don't want to get a new phone I will be more than willing to help you with it (no strings attached - I am just interested in finding out more about distributing applications on ovi)
    [/quote]

    Thank you, that would be good! it is a matter of recompilation but I also have to test it for example the QAction that I've used for the Options menu and the Back menu actually is a back button on Boxee (it will send a back key to Boxee).

    But first I am focusing on Symbian and I am planning to target Symbian S60 3rd edition phones, but for now I think I should rely on S60 5th edition and Symbian^3 because the UI is designed to be used on touch-based devices.

    I will continue this post indeed because the forums are for this reason, to learn from each other :D



  • [quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293391746"]I am planning to sell it for 1 Euro, because it is cheap and the application is very functional.[/quote]

    This is one of my options too. But I also thinking about to go for some freemium option (eg. selling for free the local app, but providing some kind of subscription to the server and group based synchronization).



  • VCsala:
    Can you give us more details about your application(s)?



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293392022"]
    [quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293391746"]I am planning to sell it for 1 Euro, because it is cheap and the application is very functional.[/quote]

    This is one of my options too. But I also thinking about to go for some freemium option (eg. selling for free the local app, but providing some kind of subscription to the server and group based synchronization).[/quote]

    Yes that would be then offering your software as a service. I am planning on doing so in another project which I have in mind, they would pay your system and get the application for free.



  • [quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293392179"]
    Yes that would be then offering your software as a service. I am planning on doing so in another project which I have in mind, they would pay your system and get the application for free.[/quote]

    I imagine something on the ovi agreement will try to prevent that... but don't know if they have figured out how yet.



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293392148"]VCsala:
    Can you give us more details about your application(s)?[/quote]

    I have one which I plan to publish in the near future, actually this is the application with which I was Top 10 world finalist in the 2009 Nokia “Calling all Innovators - Aps On Maps” Contest.

    The original idea is a group based location aware to do application, meantime I have polished the concept to make it as much integrated to the phone as it can be but I still have to wait for Nokia to provide proper geolocation based services and Ovi Maps support for Qt.



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293392563"]
    I have one which I plan to publish in the near future, actually this is the application with which I was Top 10 world finalist in the 2009 Nokia “Calling all Innovators - Aps On Maps” Contest.

    The original idea is a group based location aware to do application, meantime I have polished the concept to make it as much integrated to the phone as it can be but I still have to wait for Nokia to provide proper geolocation based services and Ovi Maps support for Qt.

    [/quote]

    What kind of geolocation services are you looking for? online or offline? Any reason to not use "google maps" in the meanwhile?

    Where can I get more information? screenshots?



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293392829"]Any reason to not use "google maps" in the meanwhile? [/quote]

    On one hand it has licensing and on other hand some historical reasons. I have signed an NDA with Nokia therefore I cannot tell you too much about the background, but I hope in the near future it will change a lot.

    You can find some more information "here":http://www.callingallinnovators.com/apps_on_maps_finalists.aspx (I had a website few months ago but I have decided not too keep it due to the uncertainties).



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293393248"]

    On one hand it has licensing and on other hand some historical reasons. I have signed an NDA with Nokia therefore I cannot tell you too much about the background, but I hope in the near future it will change a lot.

    You can find some more information "here":http://www.callingallinnovators.com/apps_on_maps_finalists.aspx (I had a website few months ago but I have decided not too keep it due to the uncertainties).[/quote]

    Just to make easier: which one is yours?

    You got love NDAs....



  • Easy, my full name is Viktor Csala, and msgboard is mine. NDA was a precondition to take part in the competition, and later I had to sign an NDA when I was elected to Forum Nokia Champion. Nokia has this habit and if you want to work with them (as I see) you have to respect their business "secrets" (anyway in my real occupation I am a consultant and it is a common practice to protect our partners interest and information so I get used to it)



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293394548"]Easy, my full name is Viktor Csala, and msgboard is mine. NDA was a precondition to take part in the competition, and later I had to sign an NDA when I was elected to Forum Nokia Champion. Nokia has this habit and if you want to work with them (as I see) you have to respect their business "secrets" (anyway in my real occupation I am a consultant and it is a common practice to protect our partners interest and information so I get used to it)[/quote]

    Cool I like the idea (of the app). I have considered several ideas that would use the "proximity" idea but the battery on the n900 is such an issue that made me give up. I haven't actually tested how the GPS will affect the battery but can't imagine that it won't.

    p.s. I recognize the need of protecting partners secrets and NDAs. I also have signed several of them. It is just the "tech" guy in me that has to rebel when it gets disappointed when interesting technical conversations end up with: sorry, can't tell you that!



  • I hope in the near future we can discuss it in more free manner. Anyway I am an active user of MyContacts and I really like it, it is a great app (moreover, if you see that on other platforms you have to pay for similar apps).



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293395661"]I hope in the near future we can discuss it in more free manner. Anyway I am an active user of MyContacts and I really like it, it is a great app (moreover, if you see that on other platforms you have to pay for similar apps). [/quote]

    Glad to hear! Thank you.



  • VCsala:
    Sorry to bug you again: is the msgboard available on the n900? I would like to test it :)



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293396041"]is the msgboard available on the n900? I would like to test it :)[/quote]

    Not yet, unfortunately. I am working on the porting when I have time. I hope I can release it in February/March. I was thinking about to have some closed beta testing, so I will count on you definitely.



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293396348"]
    Not yet, unfortunately. I am working on the porting when I have time. I hope I can release it in February/March. I was thinking about to have some closed beta testing, so I will count on you definitely.[/quote]

    Just let me know... Also, if you have any suggestions/comments about my applications let me know. I haven't had as much time as I would like to devote to them lately but I always like new ideas.



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293396735"]Also, if you have any suggestions/comments about my applications let me know. I haven't had as much time as I would like to devote to them lately but I always like new ideas.[/quote]

    I have some ideas and I plan to open a suggestion in your bugtracker (I beleive that is good place for it)



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293396978"]
    I have some ideas and I plan to open a suggestion in your bugtracker (I beleive that is good place for it)[/quote]

    I have to say that you would be the first one to use it.

    I just added it because the QA group refused to add it to extras w/o one.

    Most, if not all, feedback I get and discuss on the t.m.o announcement page for it.



  • [quote author="VCsala" date="1293393248"]
    [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293392829"]Any reason to not use "google maps" in the meanwhile? [/quote]

    On one hand it has licensing and on other hand some historical reasons. I have signed an NDA with Nokia therefore I cannot tell you too much about the background, but I hope in the near future it will change a lot.

    You can find some more information "here":http://www.callingallinnovators.com/apps_on_maps_finalists.aspx (I had a website few months ago but I have decided not too keep it due to the uncertainties).[/quote]

    Good application and perfect UI! I really like it!



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293392414"][quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293392179"]
    Yes that would be then offering your software as a service. I am planning on doing so in another project which I have in mind, they would pay your system and get the application for free.[/quote]

    I imagine something on the ovi agreement will try to prevent that... but don't know if they have figured out how yet.[/quote]

    I don't think that Nokia has any constraints on that, I have to check the NDA and FAQ for Publishers.



  • [quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293398236"]
    I don't think that Nokia has any constraints on that, I have to check the NDA and FAQ for Publishers.[/quote]

    I don't either but if I am not mistaken if you distribute your application for free on the ovi store you are not supposed to charge for upgraded versions "outside" the ovi store.

    Of course one could argue that you are selling the "service" (hosting?) and the applications if just "one more" of the clients provided for your service.



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293400265"][quote author="Milot Shala" date="1293398236"]
    I don't think that Nokia has any constraints on that, I have to check the NDA and FAQ for Publishers.[/quote]

    I don't either but if I am not mistaken if you distribute your application for free on the ovi store you are not supposed to charge for upgraded versions "outside" the ovi store.

    Of course one could argue that you are selling the "service" (hosting?) and the applications if just "one more" of the clients provided for your service.

    [/quote]

    Offering software as a service works like this.

    You have a service (for example twitter) and you provide the application for mobile device that will communicate through your service that you are providing (for example twitter, you get a mobile app to see tweets, tweet, retweet etc.), you offer the application for free but users must pay in order to use your service (for example if twitter was a paid service, you had to pay twitter but you could download the application for free).

    I cannot think right now for any of these types of apps, but if someone can enlighten us here.



  • I think Nokia does not allow applications distributed via OVI to accept payment from any other channel other than Nokia payment gateways.



  • [quote author="QtK" date="1293446219"]I think Nokia does not allow applications distributed via OVI to accept payment from any other channel other than Nokia payment gateways. [/quote]

    I should reread the NDA again :D


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