Future of Qt



  • The Jolla news is good. Hope they come up with something good. RIM, the other supporter of Qt seems to be going down. Is there any other news regarding Qt, Qt on WP8, Qt partnering alliance etc ? Who will take Qt forward. It will need the backing of big companies to move forward, something like the linux foundation.


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    ICS is interested in helping out, Digia is still in the game. Apart from that, I think nothing new has surfaced over the past few weeks. Nokia itself remains silent about its plans.



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1341918214"]Nokia itself remains silent about it plans.[/quote]

    Of course they do. We were still owed an explanation about the last disaster, and that never came either. Not officially, anyway. So don't count on any statement this time either. You'll just notice if you see a press release that Qt was sold off, or that devs have been layed off, or that there simply continue to be loads of commits that keep on streaming in from the Nokia, and that nothing has really happened. Everything else is just rumours.


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    Sad but true... just when Qt needs a clear path the most, even if it were an uneasy one, FUD is spreading instead.



  • Nokia is effectively under the umbrella of MS, needless to say there is no place for a competing cross-platform SDK framework under that umbrella. I really hope Nokia will let go and sell Qt to some company whose corporate politics won't be as limiting.

    If Nokia didn't suffer all those loses in term of money and market share, its relationship with MS could have been better, but now, as the "holly savoir" MS is in position to call the shots.

    One simply has to give credit where it is due. Nokia failed to KEEP UP and lost so much, they could have easily spent 10% of what they LOST and dictate and set standards, both iOS and Android devices have plenty of weaknesses and it doesn't really take all that much to make a product line to out-compete them, provided you have the resources which Nokia did. Alas... the world is being ran by fools, that much should be obvious to everyone at this point...



  • Hopes that we will have some news soon ... I think we are a lot of company with all development made with Qt ... I suppose that Nokia Qt dev can't communicate, but can Qt Governance ask nokia what they think about Qt Future ?





  • Interesting graphic.

    I think that the project can be maintained by us. At least, I hope so...



  • It seems the Qt ports for Android and ios are also near dead. I don't understand why Nokia don't sell it off if they are not interested in taking it forward.


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    Judging from recent activity on Gitorious, Necessitas is back on-line. The problem is, of course, the lack of backing. Bogdan is doing fantastic job, but he can't do it all (almost) alone. Of course, the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port.



  • That was the problem from the begining. It is a one man battle. I don't know why people are not interested in contributing to it, while there is lot of interest in things like phonegap, lot of companies sponsoring it. I guess this will come once Qt is fully free from Nokia.



  • [quote author="Jayakrishnan.M" date="1342522106"]It seems the Qt ports for Android and ios are also near dead. I don't understand why Nokia don't sell it off if they are not interested in taking it forward.[/quote]

    Who says they are not (trying to)?



  • May be they are. Some day we may hear some company has acquired it. Sooner the better.



  • Haven't looked at git, but on sourceforge the last update is dated 18 February, which is exactly 5 months ago.

    bq. the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port

    I have a feeling if Trolltech remained independent Android would be officially supported today.



  • [quote author="utcenter" date="1342556202"]Haven't looked at git, but on sourceforge the last update is dated 18 February, which is exactly 5 months ago.

    bq. the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port

    I have a feeling if Trolltech remained independent Android would be officially supported today.[/quote]

    exactly. Had trolltech remained independant there would have been official support for both ios and android



  • Or TT would have been bust. Or...

    It's little use looking back towards the past. Let us concentrate on the future. Where can we take Qt from where we are now?



  • It takes time to make a language well-known in computer science world. We , Qt Programmers, will help Nokia on this point. We should not leave Nokia alone, we should support and teach Qt as much as we can!



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1342601746"]Or TT would have been bust. Or...

    [/quote]

    Was TT in mid-peril before the acquisitions? Flexible licensing for indie developers and unrestricted platform support would have made miracles for the popularity of Qt. There aren't many cross platform frameworks, sure, as of recently we got more attention in the JS/HTML area, but back in those days, Qt would have been without competition, and there is STILL not a single complete native cross platform in existence.

    I don't think community is in any position to take Qt anywhere as long as it is property of Nokia, the BIG UNKNOWN is where Nokia is willing to take Qt, a question left unanswered despite the many questions and concerns from the community. This silence and uncertainty is of no use to anyone...



  • [quote author="utcenter" date="1342617501"]
    [quote author="Andre" date="1342601746"]Or TT would have been bust. Or...

    [/quote]

    Was TT in mid-peril before the acquisitions? Flexible licensing for indie developers and unrestricted platform support would have made miracles for the popularity of Qt. There aren't many cross platform frameworks, sure, as of recently we got more attention in the JS/HTML area, but back in those days, Qt would have been without competition, and there is STILL not a single complete native cross platform in existence.
    [/quote]
    The point (which you cut away) was: Does it matter? Things are what they are. TrollTech got taken over by Nokia, like it or not. Now deal with it.

    [quote]I don't think community is in any position to take Qt anywhere as long as it is property of Nokia, the BIG UNKNOWN is where Nokia is willing to take Qt, a question left unanswered despite the many questions and concerns from the community. This silence and uncertainty is of no use to anyone...[/quote]
    Lucky for all of us, others seem to think differently: KDAB, ICS, Froglogic, Digia and others are still committed to Qt, and are acting on that.



  • I didn't say it is impossible to commit - what I said is it is impossible to take i.e. move Qt, surely contributors are free to contribute, but not set a direction for the framework. And there is still the question of the bulk of ex TT employees, which are critical to Qt in the long run.

    My short term hope is that Necessitas focus on a QPA version of Qt, which should make porting much easier.

    It was mentioned there is a sign of revival from necessitas at git, yet I don't seem to find anything...


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    [quote author="utcenter" date="1342621205"]It was mentioned there is a sign of revival from necessitas at git, yet I don't seem to find anything...[/quote]

    Take a look "here":https://gitorious.org/~taipan/qt-creator/android-qt-creator and "here":https://gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse.



  • Ah yes, thanks!



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1342618846"]The point (which you cut away) was: Does it matter? Things are what they are. TrollTech got taken over by Nokia, like it or not. Now deal with it.[/quote]

    I don't get someone like you. Either you or I have a twisted view on reality.

    If your house burns down, or your girlfriend/wife dies, do you say "Well, it is what it is, no point in looking back. Now lets have a beer and party"?

    Can you understand that some people are very emotional about Qt?
    Of course it matters to some people. Don't tell them to "deal with it" because to some it sounds like an insult.



  • Nah, Andre just has special attitude for me because he loves me very much ;) He is a lover that Andre, he is bound to say "nay" to everything I say :D

    However, just because what I said wasn't what happened doesn't mean it cannot happen in the future, there is no safer future for Qt than one of independence.



  • Is there any news available about Qt futur ? What will happen to Qt developer in Nokia ? Qt5 Beta ?


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    Beta is on it's way, apparently. AFAIK, Qt offices are still open and working on Qt5. There is still a lot to be done, though, 5 is not a small update, but a major improvement. As for Nokia itself, it remains annoyingly silent, or at least I have not heard any news in the last several weeks.



  • For anyone having doubt that Qt is beeing worked on I invite them to join "Gerrit":https://codereview.qt-project.org/, "IRC":irc://freenode.net/#qt-labs or the "mailing list":http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development.



  • I understood from a Nokia employee that the next Nokia announcement (that includes information for the staff itself) can only be expected in early September. I am not counting on more information before then, unless Qt is sold off in the meantime.



  • I hopes we will have trustable and long term good news for Qt ... Desktop and Mobile Crossplatform .. I don't know if it's better to find alternative for mobile crossplatform (Mosync? Marmalade?)? It would be so fantastic to have a true Qt Desktop/Mobile Crossplatform Qt5 SDK !



  • Unfortunately, mosync and marmalade don't support desktop platforms, unless you go for HTML/JS developemtn, neither is their native API as clean as that of Qt.

    Mobile platform support (official) has been my hope for Qt, aside from a great market opportunity. Alas, this is simply impossible under Nokia, as for iOS support, even if Qt ownership shifts to someone, willing to support major mobile platforms, Apple has practically made it impossible to be 100% compatible with Qt (or vice versa). At least a 100% working android port is possible, but android itself is flawed, at least in my case, by dreadfully slow IO, be that sound or touch.



  • The news of the day is not so good... There was a message on the developers mailinglist that the Brisbane office of Qt, where people are working on Qt3D, QtDeclarative, QtMultimedia, QtSensors, QtLocation and QtSystems modules, will be shut down at the end of the month.





  • I am a beginner of Qt and I like to write codes with Qt.
    It is a sad news for me, what could we do to help Qt?


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    Lear and use it, contribute to Qt-project if you want to. Qt is having a hard time, true, but it's also a FOSS project now, so we have to keep it alive ourselves.



  • That is bad news indeed...

    Shutting down developers, working on QtDeclarative after making QML the main focus of Qt is... unexpected to say the least...


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