Future of Qt
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Nokia is effectively under the umbrella of MS, needless to say there is no place for a competing cross-platform SDK framework under that umbrella. I really hope Nokia will let go and sell Qt to some company whose corporate politics won't be as limiting.
If Nokia didn't suffer all those loses in term of money and market share, its relationship with MS could have been better, but now, as the "holly savoir" MS is in position to call the shots.
One simply has to give credit where it is due. Nokia failed to KEEP UP and lost so much, they could have easily spent 10% of what they LOST and dictate and set standards, both iOS and Android devices have plenty of weaknesses and it doesn't really take all that much to make a product line to out-compete them, provided you have the resources which Nokia did. Alas... the world is being ran by fools, that much should be obvious to everyone at this point...
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Hopes that we will have some news soon ... I think we are a lot of company with all development made with Qt ... I suppose that Nokia Qt dev can't communicate, but can Qt Governance ask nokia what they think about Qt Future ?
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A quick refresh on how mobile market is going:
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Interesting graphic.
I think that the project can be maintained by us. At least, I hope so...
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It seems the Qt ports for Android and ios are also near dead. I don't understand why Nokia don't sell it off if they are not interested in taking it forward.
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Judging from recent activity on Gitorious, Necessitas is back on-line. The problem is, of course, the lack of backing. Bogdan is doing fantastic job, but he can't do it all (almost) alone. Of course, the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port.
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That was the problem from the begining. It is a one man battle. I don't know why people are not interested in contributing to it, while there is lot of interest in things like phonegap, lot of companies sponsoring it. I guess this will come once Qt is fully free from Nokia.
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[quote author="Jayakrishnan.M" date="1342522106"]It seems the Qt ports for Android and ios are also near dead. I don't understand why Nokia don't sell it off if they are not interested in taking it forward.[/quote]
Who says they are not (trying to)?
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May be they are. Some day we may hear some company has acquired it. Sooner the better.
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Haven't looked at git, but on sourceforge the last update is dated 18 February, which is exactly 5 months ago.
bq. the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port
I have a feeling if Trolltech remained independent Android would be officially supported today.
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[quote author="utcenter" date="1342556202"]Haven't looked at git, but on sourceforge the last update is dated 18 February, which is exactly 5 months ago.
bq. the situation would improve manifold if a company backed the port
I have a feeling if Trolltech remained independent Android would be officially supported today.[/quote]
exactly. Had trolltech remained independant there would have been official support for both ios and android
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Or TT would have been bust. Or...
It's little use looking back towards the past. Let us concentrate on the future. Where can we take Qt from where we are now?
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It takes time to make a language well-known in computer science world. We , Qt Programmers, will help Nokia on this point. We should not leave Nokia alone, we should support and teach Qt as much as we can!
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[quote author="Andre" date="1342601746"]Or TT would have been bust. Or...
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Was TT in mid-peril before the acquisitions? Flexible licensing for indie developers and unrestricted platform support would have made miracles for the popularity of Qt. There aren't many cross platform frameworks, sure, as of recently we got more attention in the JS/HTML area, but back in those days, Qt would have been without competition, and there is STILL not a single complete native cross platform in existence.
I don't think community is in any position to take Qt anywhere as long as it is property of Nokia, the BIG UNKNOWN is where Nokia is willing to take Qt, a question left unanswered despite the many questions and concerns from the community. This silence and uncertainty is of no use to anyone...
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[quote author="Andre" date="1342601746"]Or TT would have been bust. Or...[/quote]
Was TT in mid-peril before the acquisitions? Flexible licensing for indie developers and unrestricted platform support would have made miracles for the popularity of Qt. There aren't many cross platform frameworks, sure, as of recently we got more attention in the JS/HTML area, but back in those days, Qt would have been without competition, and there is STILL not a single complete native cross platform in existence.
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The point (which you cut away) was: Does it matter? Things are what they are. TrollTech got taken over by Nokia, like it or not. Now deal with it.[quote]I don't think community is in any position to take Qt anywhere as long as it is property of Nokia, the BIG UNKNOWN is where Nokia is willing to take Qt, a question left unanswered despite the many questions and concerns from the community. This silence and uncertainty is of no use to anyone...[/quote]
Lucky for all of us, others seem to think differently: KDAB, ICS, Froglogic, Digia and others are still committed to Qt, and are acting on that. -
I didn't say it is impossible to commit - what I said is it is impossible to take i.e. move Qt, surely contributors are free to contribute, but not set a direction for the framework. And there is still the question of the bulk of ex TT employees, which are critical to Qt in the long run.
My short term hope is that Necessitas focus on a QPA version of Qt, which should make porting much easier.
It was mentioned there is a sign of revival from necessitas at git, yet I don't seem to find anything...
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[quote author="utcenter" date="1342621205"]It was mentioned there is a sign of revival from necessitas at git, yet I don't seem to find anything...[/quote]
Take a look "here":https://gitorious.org/~taipan/qt-creator/android-qt-creator and "here":https://gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse.
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Ah yes, thanks!
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[quote author="Andre" date="1342618846"]The point (which you cut away) was: Does it matter? Things are what they are. TrollTech got taken over by Nokia, like it or not. Now deal with it.[/quote]
I don't get someone like you. Either you or I have a twisted view on reality.
If your house burns down, or your girlfriend/wife dies, do you say "Well, it is what it is, no point in looking back. Now lets have a beer and party"?
Can you understand that some people are very emotional about Qt?
Of course it matters to some people. Don't tell them to "deal with it" because to some it sounds like an insult. -
Nah, Andre just has special attitude for me because he loves me very much ;) He is a lover that Andre, he is bound to say "nay" to everything I say :D
However, just because what I said wasn't what happened doesn't mean it cannot happen in the future, there is no safer future for Qt than one of independence.