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  • SPlattenS SPlatten

    @Charby , again I would expect toString to convert the type of the value to a string.

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    @SPlatten
    No, why not always read the docs? QString QJsonValue::toString() const

    Converts the value to a QString and returns it.

    If type() is not String, a null QString will be returned.

    This function concerns the type of the value in the JSON, not what other type you might want to convert it to. Use QJsonValue::Type QJsonValue::type() const if you want to know the type of the value.

    I wouldn't recommend it, but QJsonValue::toVariant().toString() would do what you wanted.

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    • SPlattenS SPlatten

      @Charby , again I would expect toString to convert the type of the value to a string.

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      @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

      again I would expect toString to convert the type of the value to a string.

      You are wrong, the JSON you have create defines "position" as an integer { "position" : 1 } and not as a string { "position" : "1" }.
      QJsonObject.value() returns a QJsonValue and, as written in documentation:

      QString QJsonValue::toString() const
      Converts the value to a QString and returns it.
      If type() is not String, a null QString will be returned.

      It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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      • SPlattenS SPlatten

        @KroMignon isn’t the purpose of toString to convert the value to a string?

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        @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

        isn’t the purpose of toString to convert the value to a string?

        The purpose of a function is to do what's documented... but I know reading documentation just takes too long...

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        • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

          @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

          isn’t the purpose of toString to convert the value to a string?

          The purpose of a function is to do what's documented... but I know reading documentation just takes too long...

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          @Christian-Ehrlicher oh... my sides... so funny!

          Kind Regards,
          Sy

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          • KroMignonK KroMignon

            @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

            again I would expect toString to convert the type of the value to a string.

            You are wrong, the JSON you have create defines "position" as an integer { "position" : 1 } and not as a string { "position" : "1" }.
            QJsonObject.value() returns a QJsonValue and, as written in documentation:

            QString QJsonValue::toString() const
            Converts the value to a QString and returns it.
            If type() is not String, a null QString will be returned.

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            @KroMignon yes, i realise that but the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

            Kind Regards,
            Sy

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            • SPlattenS SPlatten

              @KroMignon yes, i realise that but the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

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              @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

              yes, i realise that but the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

              As always with Qt, there is a very good documentation.
              Your first reflex should be to look there if the function does what you expect. It takes seconds and saves hours.

              It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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              • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

                @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                isn’t the purpose of toString to convert the value to a string?

                The purpose of a function is to do what's documented... but I know reading documentation just takes too long...

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                @Christian-Ehrlicher said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                The purpose of a function is to do what's documented... but I know reading documentation just takes too long...

                lol, TLDR RTFM!

                C++ is a perfectly valid school of magic.

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                • SPlattenS SPlatten

                  @KroMignon yes, i realise that but the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

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                  @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                  the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

                  Following that logic, would you also always expect QJsonValue::toArray() to convert your value to an array, and QJsonValue::toObject() to convert your value to an object, and QJsonValue::toInt() to convert your value to an integer? Even if the value is not an array or an object or a number?

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                  • JKSHJ JKSH

                    @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                    the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

                    Following that logic, would you also always expect QJsonValue::toArray() to convert your value to an array, and QJsonValue::toObject() to convert your value to an object, and QJsonValue::toInt() to convert your value to an integer? Even if the value is not an array or an object or a number?

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                    @JKSH , of course, and if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

                    Kind Regards,
                    Sy

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                    • SPlattenS SPlatten

                      @JKSH , of course, and if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

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                      @SPlatten
                      I'm not criticizing you, just making an observation. It did report an error. But it reported an error by the toString() return a null QString(), which is an invalid string, for you to check for, rather than a "message"/"exception". Which is the Qt library way of returning errors.

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                      • SPlattenS SPlatten

                        @JKSH , of course, and if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

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                        @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                        if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

                        Qt is avoiding exception usage, so what kind of error did you expect?
                        And you should not expect to much but simply some time hit the F1 key on your keyboard to get the help for the function. All is documentation, you only have to read it.

                        It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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                        • JonBJ JonB

                          @SPlatten
                          I'm not criticizing you, just making an observation. It did report an error. But it reported an error by the toString() return a null QString(), which is an invalid string, for you to check for, rather than a "message"/"exception". Which is the Qt library way of returning errors.

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                          @JonB normally I always check the return of a function, I will revisit this code.

                          Kind Regards,
                          Sy

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                          • KroMignonK KroMignon

                            @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                            if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

                            Qt is avoiding exception usage, so what kind of error did you expect?
                            And you should not expect to much but simply some time hit the F1 key on your keyboard to get the help for the function. All is documentation, you only have to read it.

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                            @KroMignon , Why is Qt avoid exception usage, if there is an error then there should be a mechanism for finding out what was wrong.

                            Kind Regards,
                            Sy

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                            • SPlattenS SPlatten

                              @KroMignon , Why is Qt avoid exception usage, if there is an error then there should be a mechanism for finding out what was wrong.

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                              @SPlatten
                              The answer is to this is historical/per language. C, and then C++, used function return results to indicate errors, not exceptions. (Exceptions are regarded as "expensive" in C++, but that's only one reason.) It's not always true now --- some C++ libraries do use exceptions --- but plenty stick with that approach. Qt is just following that pattern, which is not unreasonable for C++. Some other languages, e.g. C# or Python, tend to raise exceptions, as you prefer. That's just how it is.

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                              • SPlattenS SPlatten

                                @KroMignon , Why is Qt avoid exception usage, if there is an error then there should be a mechanism for finding out what was wrong.

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                                @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                Why is Qt avoid exception usage

                                Again, this is documented ;)
                                https://wiki.qt.io/Coding_Conventions
                                https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/exceptionsafety.html

                                It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes)

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                                • SPlattenS SPlatten

                                  @JonB normally I always check the return of a function, I will revisit this code.

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                                  @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                  normally I always check the return of a function, I will revisit this code.

                                  Good. So check if toString() returns a null string -- that's your error, as @JonB said.

                                  the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

                                  Following that logic, would you also always expect QJsonValue::toArray() to convert your value to an array, and QJsonValue::toObject() > to convert your value to an object, and QJsonValue::toInt() to convert your value to an integer? Even if the value is not an array or an object or a number?

                                  @JKSH , of course, and if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

                                  {
                                      "a": "TruE",
                                      "b": true
                                  }
                                  

                                  Suppose robjRequest contains the above. Tell us what each of these should return:

                                  1. robjRequest["a"].toArray()
                                  2. robjRequest["a"].toObject()
                                  3. robjRequest["a"].toString()
                                  4. robjRequest["a"].toInt()
                                  5. robjRequest["a"].toBool()
                                  6. robjRequest["b"].toArray()
                                  7. robjRequest["b"].toObject()
                                  8. robjRequest["b"].toString()
                                  9. robjRequest["b"].toInt()
                                  10. robjRequest["b"].toBool()

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                                  • JKSHJ JKSH

                                    @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                    normally I always check the return of a function, I will revisit this code.

                                    Good. So check if toString() returns a null string -- that's your error, as @JonB said.

                                    the name of the function is toString, so I expect the result to be whatever is on the left converted to a string.

                                    Following that logic, would you also always expect QJsonValue::toArray() to convert your value to an array, and QJsonValue::toObject() > to convert your value to an object, and QJsonValue::toInt() to convert your value to an integer? Even if the value is not an array or an object or a number?

                                    @JKSH , of course, and if it couldn't then I would expect an error.

                                    {
                                        "a": "TruE",
                                        "b": true
                                    }
                                    

                                    Suppose robjRequest contains the above. Tell us what each of these should return:

                                    1. robjRequest["a"].toArray()
                                    2. robjRequest["a"].toObject()
                                    3. robjRequest["a"].toString()
                                    4. robjRequest["a"].toInt()
                                    5. robjRequest["a"].toBool()
                                    6. robjRequest["b"].toArray()
                                    7. robjRequest["b"].toObject()
                                    8. robjRequest["b"].toString()
                                    9. robjRequest["b"].toInt()
                                    10. robjRequest["b"].toBool()
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                                    @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

                                    Kind Regards,
                                    Sy

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                                    • SPlattenS SPlatten

                                      @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

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                                      @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                      @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

                                      I don't understand how you expect toArray() to work on "TruE" or true.

                                      Consistency in an API is important. QJsonValue::toArray() only works on 'something' when that something is an array. Likewise, QJsonValue::toString() only works on 'something' when that something is a string.

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                                      • JKSHJ JKSH

                                        @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                        @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

                                        I don't understand how you expect toArray() to work on "TruE" or true.

                                        Consistency in an API is important. QJsonValue::toArray() only works on 'something' when that something is an array. Likewise, QJsonValue::toString() only works on 'something' when that something is a string.

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                                        @JKSH , thanks, I really can't be bothered to debate this any further.

                                        Kind Regards,
                                        Sy

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                                        • SPlattenS SPlatten

                                          @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

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                                          @SPlatten said in Failing to extract value from JSON why?:

                                          @JKSH , this is just silly, the name of the function is toSomething, so the name implies that it will convert whatever to the 'something', at least that is exactly how I would code it and expect it to work.

                                          No, it isn't that silly, actually it's very much on point.

                                          An API, which is what Qt provides, is a contract (the technical idiom is "Design by contract") - you give us this, and we give you that in exchange. You broke the contract, and you didn't bother to read the contract, and that's all fine with me, but to add insult to injury - you're claiming it's not worth reading the contract. Sorry, that ain't gonna fly!

                                          If you're not up to speed on what I'm babbling about, well the documentation is that contract, if a function name was all and enough we wouldn't bother to write documentation at all.

                                          Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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