Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.
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@D-Tkachenko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
But, if the service will start when the device boots, for example, will main be called for servicing with the parameter from android.app.arguments?
I understand correctly?I don't be sure to understand your question!?!
There are at least 2 ways, I know, to start a service:- with the
AndroidManifest
it self, by defining a receiver like I have done in my exemple. In my use case, I want to start the service when device finished boot. - by using
startService()
, like you have done in your example. So you can start the service from activity.
And, in each case,
main()
function will be called. - with the
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@D-Tkachenko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
is deprecated. Please indicate this on the wiki (https://wiki.qt.io/AndroidServices).
You have to submit this to Qt/Qt maintainer, I am only a developer which use Qt. I am not developing Qt.
You can submit your request to Bogdan Vatra which is the maintainer of Qt/Android:
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@KroMignon said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
I don't be sure to understand your question!?!
There are at least 2 ways, I know, to start a service:- with the
AndroidManifest
it self, by defining a receiver like I have done in my exemple. In my use case, I want to start the service when device finished boot. - by using
startService()
, like you have done in your example. So you can start the service from activity.
And, in each case,
main()
function will be called.In general, I do not understand anything. Maybe then this is a feature or bug in version 5.14.1?! Full code, for example:
// MAIN.CPP int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { if(argc <= 1){ qInfo() << "Start App...."; QCoreApplication::setAttribute(Qt::AA_EnableHighDpiScaling); QGuiApplication app(argc, argv); QQmlApplicationEngine engine; SigSlot sigslot; QQmlContext *context = engine.rootContext(); context->setContextProperty("SigSlot", &sigslot); const QUrl url(QStringLiteral("qrc:/main.qml")); QObject::connect(&engine, &QQmlApplicationEngine::objectCreated, &app, [url](QObject *obj, const QUrl &objUrl) { if (!obj && url == objUrl) QCoreApplication::exit(-1); }, Qt::QueuedConnection); engine.load(url); return app.exec(); } // This condition never works !!! else if(argc > 1 && strcmp(argv[1], "-demoservice") == 0){ //QAndroidService app(argc, argv); qInfo() << "Service starting..."; //return app.exec(); } else{ qWarning() << "Unrecognized command line argument."; return -1; } } // SigSlot.cpp void SigSlot::receiveFromQml() { QAndroidJniObject::callStaticMethod<void>("com/test/demo/DemoService", "startDemoService", "(Landroid/content/Context;)V", QtAndroid::androidActivity().object()); qInfo() << "Btn Click"; } // DemoService.java public class DemoService extends QtService { public static void startDemoService(Context ctx) { Intent intent = new Intent(ctx, DemoService.class); ctx.startService(intent); } } // DemoBroadcastReceiver.java public class DemoBroadcastReceiver extends BroadcastReceiver { @Override public void onReceive(Context context, Intent intent) { Intent demointent = new Intent(context, DemoService.class); context.startService(demointent); } }
I even specifically commented out the QAndroidService app (argc, argv). Also added BroadcastReceiver. The service starts both from activity and at the start of Android. But function main(int argc, char *argv[]) is never called for the service.
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@D-Tkachenko Can you please, show your AndroidManifest extract with the Service declaration (<service ..> ..</service>)?
Have to specified anandroid:process
value as I show you in my manifest extract?
If you do not, then Service and Activity will run in same Thread.
If Activity and Service runs in same thread, there is no need to call twice main()!
And, as written in documentation, process name must start with a semi-colon to create a new process!android:process
The name of the process where the service is to run. Normally, all components of an application run in the default process created for the application. It has the same name as the application package. The <application> element's process attribute can set a different default for all components. But component can override the default with its own process attribute, allowing you to spread your application across multiple processes.
If the name assigned to this attribute begins with a colon (':'), a new process, private to the application, is created when it's needed and the service runs in that process. If the process name begins with a lowercase character, the service will run in a global process of that name, provided that it has permission to do so. This allows components in different applications to share a process, reducing resource usage. -
@KroMignon said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
@D-Tkachenko Can you please, show your AndroidManifest extract with the Service declaration (<service ..> ..</service>)?
Have to specified anandroid:process
value as I show you in my manifest extract?
If you do not, then Service and Activity will run in same Thread.
If Activity and Service runs in same thread, there is no need to call twice main()!
And, as written in documentation, process name must start with a semi-colon to create a new process!android:process
The name of the process where the service is to run. Normally, all components of an application run in the default process created for the application. It has the same name as the application package. The <application> element's process attribute can set a different default for all components. But component can override the default with its own process attribute, allowing you to spread your application across multiple processes.
If the name assigned to this attribute begins with a colon (':'), a new process, private to the application, is created when it's needed and the service runs in that process. If the process name begins with a lowercase character, the service will run in a global process of that name, provided that it has permission to do so. This allows components in different applications to share a process, reducing resource usage.Different processes
<?xml version="1.0"?> <manifest package="com.test.demo" xmlns:android="http://schemas.android.com/apk/res/android" android:versionName="-- %%INSERT_VERSION_NAME%% --" android:versionCode="-- %%INSERT_VERSION_CODE%% --" android:installLocation="auto"> <uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="24" android:targetSdkVersion="26"/> <!-- The following comment will be replaced upon deployment with default permissions based on the dependencies of the application. Remove the comment if you do not require these default permissions. --> <!-- %%INSERT_PERMISSIONS --> <!-- The following comment will be replaced upon deployment with default features based on the dependencies of the application. Remove the comment if you do not require these default features. --> <!-- %%INSERT_FEATURES --> <supports-screens android:largeScreens="true" android:normalScreens="true" android:anyDensity="true" android:smallScreens="true"/> <application android:hardwareAccelerated="true" android:name="org.qtproject.qt5.android.bindings.QtApplication" android:label="-- %%INSERT_APP_NAME%% --" android:extractNativeLibs="true"> <activity android:configChanges="orientation|uiMode|screenLayout|screenSize|smallestScreenSize|layoutDirection|locale|fontScale|keyboard|keyboardHidden|navigation|mcc|mnc|density" android:name=".NotifyMessage" android:label="-- %%INSERT_APP_NAME%% --" android:screenOrientation="unspecified" android:launchMode="singleTop"> <intent-filter> <action android:name="android.intent.action.MAIN"/> <category android:name="android.intent.category.LAUNCHER"/> </intent-filter> <!-- Application arguments --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="arg1 arg2 arg3"/ --> <!-- Application arguments --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.lib_name" android:value="-- %%INSERT_APP_LIB_NAME%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_sources_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_sources"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.repository" android:value="default"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_libs"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundled_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/bundled_libs"/> <!-- Deploy Qt libs as part of package --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundle_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%BUNDLE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <!-- Run with local libs --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.use_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%USE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.libs_prefix" android:value="/data/local/tmp/qt/"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/load_local_libs"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_jars" android:value="-- %%INSERT_LOCAL_JARS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.static_init_classes" android:value="-- %%INSERT_INIT_CLASSES%% --"/> <!-- Used to specify custom system library path to run with local system libs --> <!-- <meta-data android:name="android.app.system_libs_prefix" android:value="/system/lib/"/> --> <!-- Messages maps --> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_not_found_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_not_found_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_needed_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_needed_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/fatal_error_msg" android:name="android.app.fatal_error_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/unsupported_android_version" android:name="android.app.unsupported_android_version"/> <!-- Messages maps --> <!-- Splash screen --> <!-- Orientation-specific (portrait/landscape) data is checked first. If not available for current orientation, then android.app.splash_screen_drawable. For best results, use together with splash_screen_sticky and use hideSplashScreen() with a fade-out animation from Qt Android Extras to hide the splash screen when you are done populating your window with content. --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.splash_screen_drawable_portrait" android:resource="@drawable/logo_portrait" / --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.splash_screen_drawable_landscape" android:resource="@drawable/logo_landscape" / --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.splash_screen_drawable" android:resource="@drawable/logo"/ --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.splash_screen_sticky" android:value="true"/ --> <!-- Splash screen --> <!-- Background running --> <!-- Warning: changing this value to true may cause unexpected crashes if the application still try to draw after "applicationStateChanged(Qt::ApplicationSuspended)" signal is sent! --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.background_running" android:value="false"/> <!-- Background running --> <!-- auto screen scale factor --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.auto_screen_scale_factor" android:value="false"/> <!-- auto screen scale factor --> <!-- extract android style --> <!-- available android:values : * default - In most cases this will be the same as "full", but it can also be something else if needed, e.g., for compatibility reasons * full - useful QWidget & Quick Controls 1 apps * minimal - useful for Quick Controls 2 apps, it is much faster than "full" * none - useful for apps that don't use any of the above Qt modules --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.extract_android_style" android:value="default"/> <!-- extract android style --> </activity> <!-- For adding service(s) please check: https://wiki.qt.io/AndroidServices --> <service android:name=".DemoService" android:process=":qtdemo"> <!-- android:process=":qt" is needed to force the service to run on a separate process than the Activity --> <!-- Application arguments --> <!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-demoservice"/ --> <!-- Application arguments --> <!-- If you are using the same application (.so file) for activity and also for service, then you need to use *android.app.arguments* to pass some arguments to your service in order to know which one is which. --> <!-- Application to launch --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.lib_name" android:value="-- %%INSERT_APP_LIB_NAME%% --"/> <!-- Application to launch --> <!-- Ministro --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_sources_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_sources"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.repository" android:value="default"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_libs"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundled_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/bundled_libs"/> <!-- Ministro --> <!-- Deploy Qt libs as part of package --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundle_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%BUNDLE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <!-- Deploy Qt libs as part of package --> <!-- Run with local libs --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.use_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%USE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.libs_prefix" android:value="/data/local/tmp/qt/"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_libs" android:value="-- %%INSERT_LOCAL_LIBS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_jars" android:value="-- %%INSERT_LOCAL_JARS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.static_init_classes" android:value="-- %%INSERT_INIT_CLASSES%% --"/> <!-- Run with local libs --> <!-- Messages maps --> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_not_found_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_not_found_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_needed_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_needed_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/fatal_error_msg" android:name="android.app.fatal_error_msg"/> <!-- Messages maps --> <!-- Background running --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.background_running" android:value="true"/> <!-- Background running --> </service> <receiver android:name=".DemoBroadcastReceiver"> <intent-filter android:priority="999"> <action android:name="android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED"/> <action android:name="android.intent.action.QUICKBOOT_POWERON"/> </intent-filter> </receiver> </application> <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED"/> </manifest>
Later I will try to install Qt 5.12.7 and compile/build repeat.
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@D-Tkachenko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
Different processes
Yes you got different processes:
<service android:name=".DemoService" android:process=":qtdemo">
But you have comment out the service arguments!
<!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-demoservice"/ -->
Must be
<meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-demoservice"/>
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@KroMignon said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
But you have comment out the service arguments!
<!-- meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-demoservice"/ -->
I probably commented out this during the tests. Without changes. The qDebug log on main is called only once for activity. I'll try it soon on version 5.12.7
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@D-Tkachenko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
I probably commented out this during the tests.
I don't guess so, please remove the comments and try again. I am sure it will work.
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Re: Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.
Hi Guys,
We encounter exactly the same problem with Qt 5.14.(1 and 2) whatever the android version from 21 to 29. More precisely, the main function of the service is never called. We tried to call it in two separate
.so
and in the same.so
, nothing appends. The android service starts since it logs. We tried to modify the manifest using all the possibilities we found in this thread and on the web, we are stuck.When we set the service as the activity, it works which means that the code seems right (it just does a print).
Here is the part of the manifest when using the same
.so
.<service android:process=":qt" android:name=".BluePeripheral" android:exported="false"> <meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-service"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.lib_name" android:value="-- %%INSERT_APP_LIB_NAME%% --"/>
Here is the java code:
public class BluePeripheral extends QtService { public static void startMyService(Context ctx) { ctx.startService(new Intent(ctx, BluePeripheral.class)); Log.i("Service", "Service started!"); } public static void loglog() { Log.i("Service", "Service in action!"); } }
The code of the main function:
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { if (argc > 1) { QAndroidJniObject::callStaticMethod<void>("fr/inria/blue/BluePeripheral", "loglog", "()V", QtAndroid::androidActivity().object()); QAndroidService app(argc, argv); return app.exec(); } else { QAndroidJniObject::callStaticMethod<void>("fr/inria/blue/BluePeripheral", "loglog", "()V", QtAndroid::androidActivity().object()); QCoreApplication::setAttribute(Qt::AA_EnableHighDpiScaling); QGuiApplication app(argc, argv); QQmlApplicationEngine engine; engine.load(QUrl(QStringLiteral("qrc:/main.qml"))); QAndroidJniObject::callStaticMethod<void>("fr/inria/blue/BluePeripheral", "startMyService", "(Landroid/content/Context;)V", QtAndroid::androidActivity().object()); return app.exec(); } }
The version without argument works, the version with
-server
argument is never called.If any of you have an idea to solve this issue, it would be great !
Thanks,
Best regards,
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@T-Kloczko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
<service android:process=":qt" android:name=".BluePeripheral" android:exported="false">
Hello, you have to made your service "public" if you want it to be started by Android:
<service android:process=":qt" android:name=".BluePeripheral" android:exported="true">
Or you have to start it from you activity.
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@KroMignon said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
android:exported="true"
Hello thanks a lot for your answer ! Unfortunately, it does not change anything. We also tried using Qt 5.12.7 and we encountered the same problem.
When you sayOr you have to start it from you activity.
it means that the following code in the main function in the activity part does not do that?QAndroidJniObject::callStaticMethod<void>("fr/inria/blue/BluePeripheral", "startMyService", "(Landroid/content/Context;)V", QtAndroid::androidActivity().object());
Thanks again !
Sincerely,
Thibaud. -
@T-Kloczko I have create an Android App with 1 activity and 3 services with Qt 5.12.7, and it works fine.
A first look, I can't understand why it doesn't work for you.
Maybe you should use full quantified name in manifest:<service android:process=":qt" android:name="fr.inria.blue.BluePeripheral" android:exported="true">
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Hi, unfortunately, the full name does not change anything. Moreover, using Qt 5.12.7 brings other problems. Firstly, we need to use android ndk 19rc to avoid compilation warnings. Then we get link warnings such as
Warning: "/data/app/fr.inria.test-AyWWvb8GkSDR8Mx2Zhjtjw==/lib/x86/libQt5AndroidExtras.so" has unsupported flags DT_FLAGS_1=0x80 (ignoring unsupported flags)
and finally an error occurs
E fr.inria.test: No implementation found for int[] org.qtproject.qt5.android.ExtractStyle.extractNativeChunkInfo20(long) (tried Java_org_qtproject_qt5_android_ExtractStyle_extractNativeChunkInfo20 and Java_org_qtproject_qt5_android_ExtractStyle_extractNativeChunkInfo20__J)
I made a lightweight program that reproduces the bug https://gitlab.inria.fr/tkloczko/qt-service-test.
But we encounter exactly the same problem with the sample code of Kdab example.
Any hint would be great !I made an issue ont Qt-Bug tracker https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-83288. Hope this will brings some answers.
Thanks again for your help.Sincerely,
Thibaud. -
@T-Kloczko I've got a little question to you: how to you know service is started or not?
Your Android Service and Activity runs in different processes, but with Qt Creator you can only debug 1 process, which will be the Activity.To see if you Service has started, you have to use a tool to monitor android logs, for example with Android Studio or mLogCat.
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@KroMignon Hi, yes we use ncat stuff to trace that the service was started.
Now we gonna try to launch the websocket server through a call to a static c function... we'll see :-/ !
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@KroMignon Hi, finally I used logcat stuff from Android and here is the log I obtain:
2020-04-06 11:39:16.713 9577-9577/? I/r.inria.test:q: Not late-enabling -Xcheck:jni (already on) 2020-04-06 11:39:16.743 9577-9577/? E/r.inria.test:q: Unknown bits set in runtime_flags: 0x8000 2020-04-06 11:39:16.744 9577-9577/? W/r.inria.test:q: Unexpected CPU variant for X86 using defaults: x86 2020-04-06 11:39:16.798 9577-9577/fr.inria.test:qt D/SERVICE: ON CREATE CALLED 2020-04-06 11:39:16.798 9577-9577/fr.inria.test:qt I/Service: Created 2020-04-06 11:39:16.800 9577-9577/fr.inria.test:qt E/r.inria.test:q: Invalid ID 0x00000000. 2020-04-06 11:39:16.802 9577-9577/fr.inria.test:qt E/Qt: Can't create main activity android.content.res.Resources$NotFoundException: String array resource ID #0x0 at android.content.res.Resources.getStringArray(Resources.java:604) at org.qtproject.qt5.android.bindings.QtLoader.startApp(QtLoader.java:423) at org.qtproject.qt5.android.bindings.QtServiceLoader.onCreate(QtServiceLoader.java:60) at org.qtproject.qt5.android.bindings.QtService.onCreateHook(QtService.java:54) at org.qtproject.qt5.android.bindings.QtService.onCreate(QtService.java:60) at fr.inria.test.MyTest.onCreate(MyTest.java:29) at android.app.ActivityThread.handleCreateService(ActivityThread.java:3953) at android.app.ActivityThread.access$1500(ActivityThread.java:219) at android.app.ActivityThread$H.handleMessage(ActivityThread.java:1875) at android.os.Handler.dispatchMessage(Handler.java:107) at android.os.Looper.loop(Looper.java:214) at android.app.ActivityThread.main(ActivityThread.java:7356) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Native Method) at com.android.internal.os.RuntimeInit$MethodAndArgsCaller.run(RuntimeInit.java:492) at com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit.main(ZygoteInit.java:930) 2020-04-06 11:39:16.802 9577-9577/fr.inria.test:qt I/Service: Created
It seems that it wants to create another main activity... I am really lost...
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@KroMignon I FOUND IT !!!!
Thanks to this thread:
https://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2020-January/034372.html
In fact, at least for Qt 5.14. x, the part of the manifest that must be used is as follows:<service android:process=":in" android:name=".MyTest" android:exported="true"> <!-- android:process=":qt" is needed to force the service to run on a separate process than the Activity --> <!-- Application arguments --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.arguments" android:value="-service"/> <!-- Application arguments --> <!-- If you are using the same application (.so file) for activity and also for service, then you need to use *android.app.arguments* to pass some arguments to your service in order to know which one is which. --> <!-- Application to launch --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.lib_name" android:value="-- %%INSERT_APP_LIB_NAME%% --"/> <!-- Application to launch --> <!-- Ministro --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_sources_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_sources"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.repository" android:value="default"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.qt_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/qt_libs"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundled_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/bundled_libs"/> <!-- Ministro --> <!-- Deploy Qt libs as part of package --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundle_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%BUNDLE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <!-- Deploy Qt libs as part of package --> <!-- Run with local libs --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.use_local_qt_libs" android:value="-- %%USE_LOCAL_QT_LIBS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.libs_prefix" android:value="/data/local/tmp/qt/"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/load_local_libs"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_jars" android:value="-- %%INSERT_LOCAL_JARS%% --"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.static_init_classes" android:value="-- %%INSERT_INIT_CLASSES%% --"/> <!-- Run with local libs --> <!-- Messages maps --> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_not_found_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_not_found_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/ministro_needed_msg" android:name="android.app.ministro_needed_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/fatal_error_msg" android:name="android.app.fatal_error_msg"/> <meta-data android:value="@string/unsupported_android_version" android:name="android.app.unsupported_android_version"/> <!-- Messages maps --> <!-- Background running --> <meta-data android:name="android.app.background_running" android:value="true"/> <!-- Background running --> </service>
Compare to the one given https://wiki.qt.io/AndroidServices, one should remove the following lines:
<meta-data android:name="android.app.bundled_in_lib_resource_id" android:resource="@array/bundled_in_lib"/> <meta-data android:name="android.app.bundled_in_assets_resource_id" android:resource="@array/bundled_in_assets"/>
One should replace the following line:
<meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_libs" android:value="-- %%INSERT_LOCAL_LIBS%% --"/>
by this one
<meta-data android:name="android.app.load_local_libs_resource_id" android:resource="@array/load_local_libs"/>
And finally, one has to add the following line:
<meta-data android:value="@string/unsupported_android_version" android:name="android.app.unsupported_android_version"/>
Clearly, the wiki should at least mention this ;-) !
Thanks again for the help,
Sincerely,
Thibaud. -
@T-Kloczko said in Qt Android Services. Documentation and reality.:
I FOUND IT !!!!
It looks like you solved your issue. If so, please don't forget to mark your post as such.
the wiki should at least mention this ;-) !
You're more than welcome to edit/improve the wiki, just login using the same account you use in this forum.
Thanks.
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@Pablo-J-Rogina OK thanks ! I would like to do it but it seems I have not enough privilege.
For the wiki part, I tried to modify it but I realize I was not logged :-/ !
Thanks again for the work the whole team does !
Cheers Thibaud.
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@Pablo-J-Rogina In fact it seems that I do not have enough privilege to mark it as the right answer :-( ...