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Qt Downloader only gives commercial option



  • When I download Qt Online Installer for Windows, in the setup dialog box I am led only to the commercial Qt setup. i'd like to start with the open source library however that options is never presented to me. What gives? Thanks.


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    You just need to provide your Qt Account credentials (same as you use to log into this forum), no need for commercial license.



  • @sierdzio said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    You just need to provide your Qt Account credentials

    So what if you don't want to create a Qt account to mess with the OS version?
    The beginning of the end for Qt...


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    @Kent-Dorfman said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    @sierdzio said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    You just need to provide your Qt Account credentials

    So what if you don't want to create a Qt account to mess with the OS version?

    Source archive is still available without logging in.

    The beginning of the end for Qt...

    It does feel like it in some respects, yes.



  • @sierdzio said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    The beginning of the end for Qt...

    It does feel like it in some respects, yes.

    This is very depressing :( Can you not give us some more up-beat alternative view? :)


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    @JonB said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    This is very depressing :( Can you not give us some more up-beat alternative view? :)

    if sh*t hits the fan,
    there will always be the KDE open source fork ?



  • @J-Hilk
    Ahh! Is that as "comprehensive" as the Qt Company release? Does it get re-released regularly with all the latest fixes/additions? What's its support for PySide2 like?...


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    @JonB said in Qt Downloader only gives commercial option:

    @sierdzio said in Qt Downloader Only gives commercial option:

    The beginning of the end for Qt...

    It does feel like it in some respects, yes.

    This is very depressing :( Can you not give us some more up-beat alternative view? :)

    Well, in all honesty I think requiring login to download prebuilt binaries is a horrible idea but it does not change much about Qt, does it? We still have releases, bugs are getting fixed, features are getting added, Qt continues to grow and be supported. So that change in itself, although a major inconvenience (even for commercial users!), does not doom Qt.

    Ahh! Is that as "comprehensive" as the Qt Company release? Does it get re-released regularly with all the latest fixes/additions? What's its support for PySide2 like?...

    KDE has a very good track record in this regard. Look at how often Plasma is updated, apps get support for many operating systems (Kate on Windows!) etc. They would definitely do a good job at managing Qt - but a much smaller Qt. I doubt they have the budget to keep the pace of development of Qt Company. But who knows? If a for really happens (there are no signs of one yet!), KDE could get more funding from various places and expand.



  • Added to this, the Maintenance Tool only allows you to continue if you provide an account, and if you went open source, guess what:

    "No valid license available in your Qt Account for this host platform.

    Please renew your license(s) from Qt Account"

    Fail...


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    @avsdev-cw said in Qt Downloader only gives commercial option:

    "No valid license available in your Qt Account for this host platform.

    Please renew your license(s) from Qt Account"

    If you used to have a commercial license (or a trial version) on your machine, then you will have an expired license file on your machine.

    Delete the license file and you'll be put back on the open-source version. (Look inside your %APPDATA% folder)



  • @JKSH
    Hello JKSH,
    I also have the problem of not being able to update even after providing QtAccount login to the maintenance application.
    I have never installed a license or trial version on this machine so there should not be any license file.
    What is the location of the license file in linux so I can delete it? How can we get back to being able to update Qt open?
    Suggestion: add a button to "get back to free" to delete the license file and go back to free.

    BR,
    JP


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    Hi, and welcome.

    @JPRN said in Qt Downloader only gives commercial option:

    I also have the problem of not being able to update even after providing QtAccount login to the maintenance application.

    What error message do you get?

    You mentioned "maintenance application". Are you installing Qt for the first time on this machine?

    If this isn't the first time, how did you install Qt on this machine previously?

    What is the location of the license file in linux so I can delete it?

    I don't know, sorry.

    Suggestion: add a button to "get back to free" to delete the license file and go back to free.

    Good idea. You can post suggestions at https://bugreports.qt.io/

    (Note: I don't work for the Qt Company and I don't have direct input into the installer)



  • @JKSH
    Hello,
    I have been using Qt since around 4.4
    The machine is Ubuntu 18.04
    Qt is installed in /opt/Qt, installed with the online installer and the MaintenanceTool. Currently using 5.14.0
    The maintenance app is /opt/Qt/Maintenancetool
    I no longer have the literal error message, but it was similar to "there are no licenses in your QtAccount for his host"

    It seems it is "working" now. I don't know why it is working now.
    Steps I took:

    • Delete /opt/Qt/Licenses directory
    • Change the QtAccount password (I have had an account for several years)
    • Add again my contact details
    • Try several times both with MaintenanceTool and online qt-unified-linux-x64-3.2.1-2-online.run several times
    • Wait around 1 h
    • Start again /opt/Qt/MaintenanceTool

    The tool has finally accepted the account and let me update.

    I agree with the community:

    • Make free option difficult for the community is a very bad move
    • 100k/year to be eligible for the startup license is not ok.

    Thanks,
    JP



  • This new login option is quite inconvenient particularly in the case of installing from a script. Think about installing QtCreator from a Dockerfile. I used to have a js script to automatize the process, but now I cannot use it anymore since it would require to add either in the js script or in the Dockerfile my credentials (unless using a complicated mechanism to store secrets).



  • @diegofrg I am also super annoyed that the work I put into figuring out how to automate the installer in a Dockerfile was, apparently, for naught. As far as I can tell, the only way to do it going forward is to build your Qt binaries from source to make a build Docker image. And just sorta hope that you got the build environment right, and you didn't do anything that results in a suboptimal build, and we all have to reinvent the wheel doing that, and end-users have to just accept that none of us will necessarily be using binary compatible Qt distributions because we built it with different compiler revs and such. So if they want to write some plugin for multiple Qt host apps, they have to use our individual Docker images for each build because they can't just use the official binaries. It's a mess, and a very short sighted decision, but there's apparently nothing for the rest of us to do about it but build from source.



  • @diegofrg said in Qt Downloader only gives commercial option:

    unless using a complicated mechanism to store secrets

    You could make a throw away Qt account just for automating installs. One you don't care if it gets compromised.



  • @fcarney If you want to check a Dockerfile into Github, you'll care about it getting compromised if it results in breaking your builds when the compromised account gets closed.



  • @wrosecrans Their broken now.



  • Also... What the hell is the point of sitting through the "Checking For Updates..." thrashing when I launch Qt Creator, if the only thing it'll ever do is pop up a screen saying updates are available, but can't download them?! Why even have it contact the servers and use a little bandwidth checking?

    Tonight I logged into a machine that I haven't used in a while, and it tried to update itself and... I guess my laptop is just permanently using a newer version than the desktop computer that I didn't update before the policy change? And the only way I have any idea what the hell was going on is because I am a sufficiently engaged user that I read the blog and forum. The stubbornness of the Qt Company on this issue just annoys me more and more as time goes on. It really makes me feel bad for how many times I have suggested people try Qt for their projects.


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