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  • J JonB
    29 Nov 2023, 09:41

    @TomZ
    Indeed.

    I have 2 PCs with Windows 11, and these both choose a sans-serif font. I tried deleting all cookies, no difference.

    I then tried on another PC which has Windows 10. That does show in serif!

    All my browsers are Chrome. I pressed F12, Elements tab. There the applicable rule is

    body {
        font-family: "Titillium Web";
    }
    

    I overtype with, say, Helvetica, and sure enough it changes to a serif font.

    Soooo... What is this Titillium Web font? How long has Qt forum been using it? Does it not exist under (default installation) Windows 11? Can I influence the choice of "fallback" font for this if I have to?

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    JonB
    wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 09:48 last edited by JonB
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    @JonB
    OK, don't quite know what I did, but I went to "Adobe Fonts" at https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/titillium-web#fonts-section. It seemed to make me create an account :( That page now says

    11 fonts included in your free plan

    whatever that means. It also shows Titillium Web with a Remove button, so I guess it got installed.

    Whatever, the Qt forum pages now seem to be in a (readable) serif font, again/at last!

    I think the Qt.io team ought really look into whether this choice of font is a good/sensible one, perhaps under Windows 11? I should not have to download fonts/sign up to Adobe to get the font it uses... !

    EDIT
    I think I may have got mixed up which machine/Windows. I now have that Adobe font (apparently) installed on both PCs. The Windows 10 one works, the Windows 11 one still shows a serif font. So don't think this actually solved anything.... :(

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    • J JonB
      29 Nov 2023, 09:48

      @JonB
      OK, don't quite know what I did, but I went to "Adobe Fonts" at https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/titillium-web#fonts-section. It seemed to make me create an account :( That page now says

      11 fonts included in your free plan

      whatever that means. It also shows Titillium Web with a Remove button, so I guess it got installed.

      Whatever, the Qt forum pages now seem to be in a (readable) serif font, again/at last!

      I think the Qt.io team ought really look into whether this choice of font is a good/sensible one, perhaps under Windows 11? I should not have to download fonts/sign up to Adobe to get the font it uses... !

      EDIT
      I think I may have got mixed up which machine/Windows. I now have that Adobe font (apparently) installed on both PCs. The Windows 10 one works, the Windows 11 one still shows a serif font. So don't think this actually solved anything.... :(

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      TomZ
      wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 12:01 last edited by
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      @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

      I went to "Adobe Fonts"

      The website / css is supposed to make sure the font will be downloaded from the location given.

      Today checked the error log on my Firefox, and I got the answer:
      Screenshot_20231129_125857.png

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      • T TomZ
        29 Nov 2023, 12:01

        @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

        I went to "Adobe Fonts"

        The website / css is supposed to make sure the font will be downloaded from the location given.

        Today checked the error log on my Firefox, and I got the answer:
        Screenshot_20231129_125857.png

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        JonB
        wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 12:08 last edited by
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        @TomZ
        Ah ha!

        I am still unsure why, having explicitly installed Titillium Web font apparently in case that is necessary, it is not prepared to pick that up locally? Nor why I believe my two Windows 11 machines are badly affected but my one Windows 10 one does not seem to be, or picks a sans-serif font?

        From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this and I (wish to) stick to Chrome is there anything I can do to make it pick the right font or at least a sans-serif one?

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        • J JonB
          29 Nov 2023, 12:08

          @TomZ
          Ah ha!

          I am still unsure why, having explicitly installed Titillium Web font apparently in case that is necessary, it is not prepared to pick that up locally? Nor why I believe my two Windows 11 machines are badly affected but my one Windows 10 one does not seem to be, or picks a sans-serif font?

          From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this and I (wish to) stick to Chrome is there anything I can do to make it pick the right font or at least a sans-serif one?

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          wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 12:15 last edited by
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          @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

          From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this

          It is clearly a bug on their side;
          https://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#font-fetching-requirements

          The implications of this for authors are that fonts will typically not be loaded cross-origin unless authors specifically takes steps to permit cross-origin loads.

          In the meantime I'm wondering (never checked) if there are plugins for your browser that allows overriding specific css stuff. In this case the font used.

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          • T TomZ
            29 Nov 2023, 12:15

            @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

            From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this

            It is clearly a bug on their side;
            https://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#font-fetching-requirements

            The implications of this for authors are that fonts will typically not be loaded cross-origin unless authors specifically takes steps to permit cross-origin loads.

            In the meantime I'm wondering (never checked) if there are plugins for your browser that allows overriding specific css stuff. In this case the font used.

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            JonB
            wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 12:19 last edited by
            #8

            @TomZ
            Hmm, let's hope that someone looks at this thread then....

            Meanwhile, since it works for me on some machines' Chrome but not others, is there a (security?) setting I may have in one Chrome but not the other which would allow through this CORS issue on only one of them?

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              KH-219Design
              wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 16:14 last edited by
              #9

              I got an email "[Qt Forum] Digest for 2023/11/27" two days ago that listed this forum topic as the top item.

              I did not visit the forum that day, but I thought to myself: "someone posting about the forum itself? and its font? that's... unusual"

              So today I visit the forum and lo and behold (WTF!) my eyes are also boggled by this newsprint-looking font.

              For the record, I am using:

              • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
              • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy

              www.219design.com
              Software | Electrical | Mechanical | Product Design

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              • K KH-219Design
                29 Nov 2023, 16:14

                I got an email "[Qt Forum] Digest for 2023/11/27" two days ago that listed this forum topic as the top item.

                I did not visit the forum that day, but I thought to myself: "someone posting about the forum itself? and its font? that's... unusual"

                So today I visit the forum and lo and behold (WTF!) my eyes are also boggled by this newsprint-looking font.

                For the record, I am using:

                • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
                • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy
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                wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 17:05 last edited by
                #10

                Hi,

                Well... For some days I had something looking like Times New Roman as well but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

                Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                • SGaistS SGaist
                  29 Nov 2023, 17:05

                  Hi,

                  Well... For some days I had something looking like Times New Roman as well but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

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                  JonB
                  wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 17:59 last edited by JonB
                  #11

                  @SGaist said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

                  but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

                  But how??!! :)
                  (And I think you are a Mac anyway, so doubtless it won't help me!)

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                    hskoglund
                    wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 18:22 last edited by
                    #12

                    I just tried on my Mac (running Sonoma 14.1.1)
                    This forum post on Safari:Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.02.png
                    On Chrome:
                    Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.24.png
                    On Firefox:
                    Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.21.46.png

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                    • hskoglundH hskoglund
                      29 Nov 2023, 18:22

                      I just tried on my Mac (running Sonoma 14.1.1)
                      This forum post on Safari:Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.02.png
                      On Chrome:
                      Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.24.png
                      On Firefox:
                      Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.21.46.png

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                      JonB
                      wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 18:26 last edited by JonB
                      #13

                      @hskoglund
                      I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                      2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                      • J JonB
                        29 Nov 2023, 18:26

                        @hskoglund
                        I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                        2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                        wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 19:25 last edited by
                        #14

                        @JonB Sorry, I forgot to say that I was using Firefox when it happened.

                        Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                        Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                        • SGaistS SGaist
                          29 Nov 2023, 19:25

                          @JonB Sorry, I forgot to say that I was using Firefox when it happened.

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                          wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 19:48 last edited by
                          #15

                          @SGaist
                          Yes, but you are using Mac, and all my artistic friends who do tell me Macs just work (unlike PCs/Windows) ;-)

                          Whichever, the problem is happening to a variety of people on a variety of platforms/browsers. I wouldn't normally be a pain about this sort of thing, but I really find the serif font difficult for a forum and my eyes.

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                          • J JonB
                            29 Nov 2023, 19:48

                            @SGaist
                            Yes, but you are using Mac, and all my artistic friends who do tell me Macs just work (unlike PCs/Windows) ;-)

                            Whichever, the problem is happening to a variety of people on a variety of platforms/browsers. I wouldn't normally be a pain about this sort of thing, but I really find the serif font difficult for a forum and my eyes.

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                            wrote on 29 Nov 2023, 20:04 last edited by
                            #16

                            @JonB You're not a pain. One of the goal of the forum them is to be as pleasing as possible for everybody.

                            Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                            Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                            • J JonB
                              29 Nov 2023, 18:26

                              @hskoglund
                              I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                              2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                              Redman
                              wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 07:11 last edited by
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                              @JonB Win11 Microsoft Edge. Same problem.

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                                JonB
                                wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 07:33 last edited by
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                                Any comment from anyone involved in Qt.io webservices? :)

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                                  wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 08:41 last edited by
                                  #19

                                  It was ok for me until I read this topic and pressed Shift+F5 to reload without cache and now the fonts are missing for me too. Looks like some problem with cross domain references.

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                                    JonB
                                    wrote on 8 Dec 2023, 18:10 last edited by
                                    #20

                                    Yay, I seem to have a sans-serif font back! Windows/Chrome.

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                                    • J JonB
                                      8 Dec 2023, 18:10

                                      Yay, I seem to have a sans-serif font back! Windows/Chrome.

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                                      KH-219Design
                                      wrote on 8 Dec 2023, 18:33 last edited by
                                      #21

                                      normal font has returned for me, too. phew. we made it, everybody. thanks for the solidarity :)

                                      • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
                                      • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy

                                      www.219design.com
                                      Software | Electrical | Mechanical | Product Design

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