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  • TomZT TomZ

    @JonB can confirm.

    The font I see is absolutely NOT any Titillium related one.

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    @TomZ
    Indeed.

    I have 2 PCs with Windows 11, and these both choose a sans-serif font. I tried deleting all cookies, no difference.

    I then tried on another PC which has Windows 10. That does show in serif!

    All my browsers are Chrome. I pressed F12, Elements tab. There the applicable rule is

    body {
        font-family: "Titillium Web";
    }
    

    I overtype with, say, Helvetica, and sure enough it changes to a serif font.

    Soooo... What is this Titillium Web font? How long has Qt forum been using it? Does it not exist under (default installation) Windows 11? Can I influence the choice of "fallback" font for this if I have to?

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    • JonBJ JonB

      @TomZ
      Indeed.

      I have 2 PCs with Windows 11, and these both choose a sans-serif font. I tried deleting all cookies, no difference.

      I then tried on another PC which has Windows 10. That does show in serif!

      All my browsers are Chrome. I pressed F12, Elements tab. There the applicable rule is

      body {
          font-family: "Titillium Web";
      }
      

      I overtype with, say, Helvetica, and sure enough it changes to a serif font.

      Soooo... What is this Titillium Web font? How long has Qt forum been using it? Does it not exist under (default installation) Windows 11? Can I influence the choice of "fallback" font for this if I have to?

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      #4

      @JonB
      OK, don't quite know what I did, but I went to "Adobe Fonts" at https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/titillium-web#fonts-section. It seemed to make me create an account :( That page now says

      11 fonts included in your free plan

      whatever that means. It also shows Titillium Web with a Remove button, so I guess it got installed.

      Whatever, the Qt forum pages now seem to be in a (readable) serif font, again/at last!

      I think the Qt.io team ought really look into whether this choice of font is a good/sensible one, perhaps under Windows 11? I should not have to download fonts/sign up to Adobe to get the font it uses... !

      EDIT
      I think I may have got mixed up which machine/Windows. I now have that Adobe font (apparently) installed on both PCs. The Windows 10 one works, the Windows 11 one still shows a serif font. So don't think this actually solved anything.... :(

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      • JonBJ JonB

        @JonB
        OK, don't quite know what I did, but I went to "Adobe Fonts" at https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/titillium-web#fonts-section. It seemed to make me create an account :( That page now says

        11 fonts included in your free plan

        whatever that means. It also shows Titillium Web with a Remove button, so I guess it got installed.

        Whatever, the Qt forum pages now seem to be in a (readable) serif font, again/at last!

        I think the Qt.io team ought really look into whether this choice of font is a good/sensible one, perhaps under Windows 11? I should not have to download fonts/sign up to Adobe to get the font it uses... !

        EDIT
        I think I may have got mixed up which machine/Windows. I now have that Adobe font (apparently) installed on both PCs. The Windows 10 one works, the Windows 11 one still shows a serif font. So don't think this actually solved anything.... :(

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        @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

        I went to "Adobe Fonts"

        The website / css is supposed to make sure the font will be downloaded from the location given.

        Today checked the error log on my Firefox, and I got the answer:
        Screenshot_20231129_125857.png

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        • TomZT TomZ

          @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

          I went to "Adobe Fonts"

          The website / css is supposed to make sure the font will be downloaded from the location given.

          Today checked the error log on my Firefox, and I got the answer:
          Screenshot_20231129_125857.png

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          JonB
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          @TomZ
          Ah ha!

          I am still unsure why, having explicitly installed Titillium Web font apparently in case that is necessary, it is not prepared to pick that up locally? Nor why I believe my two Windows 11 machines are badly affected but my one Windows 10 one does not seem to be, or picks a sans-serif font?

          From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this and I (wish to) stick to Chrome is there anything I can do to make it pick the right font or at least a sans-serif one?

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          • JonBJ JonB

            @TomZ
            Ah ha!

            I am still unsure why, having explicitly installed Titillium Web font apparently in case that is necessary, it is not prepared to pick that up locally? Nor why I believe my two Windows 11 machines are badly affected but my one Windows 10 one does not seem to be, or picks a sans-serif font?

            From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this and I (wish to) stick to Chrome is there anything I can do to make it pick the right font or at least a sans-serif one?

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            @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

            From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this

            It is clearly a bug on their side;
            https://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#font-fetching-requirements

            The implications of this for authors are that fonts will typically not be loaded cross-origin unless authors specifically takes steps to permit cross-origin loads.

            In the meantime I'm wondering (never checked) if there are plugins for your browser that allows overriding specific css stuff. In this case the font used.

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            • TomZT TomZ

              @JonB said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

              From where we are now, if Qt.io are not acting on this

              It is clearly a bug on their side;
              https://www.w3.org/TR/css-fonts-3/#font-fetching-requirements

              The implications of this for authors are that fonts will typically not be loaded cross-origin unless authors specifically takes steps to permit cross-origin loads.

              In the meantime I'm wondering (never checked) if there are plugins for your browser that allows overriding specific css stuff. In this case the font used.

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              JonB
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              @TomZ
              Hmm, let's hope that someone looks at this thread then....

              Meanwhile, since it works for me on some machines' Chrome but not others, is there a (security?) setting I may have in one Chrome but not the other which would allow through this CORS issue on only one of them?

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                I got an email "[Qt Forum] Digest for 2023/11/27" two days ago that listed this forum topic as the top item.

                I did not visit the forum that day, but I thought to myself: "someone posting about the forum itself? and its font? that's... unusual"

                So today I visit the forum and lo and behold (WTF!) my eyes are also boggled by this newsprint-looking font.

                For the record, I am using:

                • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
                • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy

                www.219design.com
                Software | Electrical | Mechanical | Product Design

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                • KH-219DesignK KH-219Design

                  I got an email "[Qt Forum] Digest for 2023/11/27" two days ago that listed this forum topic as the top item.

                  I did not visit the forum that day, but I thought to myself: "someone posting about the forum itself? and its font? that's... unusual"

                  So today I visit the forum and lo and behold (WTF!) my eyes are also boggled by this newsprint-looking font.

                  For the record, I am using:

                  • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
                  • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy
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                  SGaist
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                  Hi,

                  Well... For some days I had something looking like Times New Roman as well but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

                  Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                  Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                  • SGaistS SGaist

                    Hi,

                    Well... For some days I had something looking like Times New Roman as well but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

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                    JonB
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                    #11

                    @SGaist said in Forum font gone walkies (2):

                    but since yesterday, I think, it got back to normal.

                    But how??!! :)
                    (And I think you are a Mac anyway, so doubtless it won't help me!)

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                      #12

                      I just tried on my Mac (running Sonoma 14.1.1)
                      This forum post on Safari:Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.02.png
                      On Chrome:
                      Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.24.png
                      On Firefox:
                      Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.21.46.png

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                      • hskoglundH hskoglund

                        I just tried on my Mac (running Sonoma 14.1.1)
                        This forum post on Safari:Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.02.png
                        On Chrome:
                        Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.20.24.png
                        On Firefox:
                        Screenshot 2023-11-29 at 19.21.46.png

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                        #13

                        @hskoglund
                        I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                        2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                        • JonBJ JonB

                          @hskoglund
                          I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                          2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                          @JonB Sorry, I forgot to say that I was using Firefox when it happened.

                          Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                          Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                          • SGaistS SGaist

                            @JonB Sorry, I forgot to say that I was using Firefox when it happened.

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                            #15

                            @SGaist
                            Yes, but you are using Mac, and all my artistic friends who do tell me Macs just work (unlike PCs/Windows) ;-)

                            Whichever, the problem is happening to a variety of people on a variety of platforms/browsers. I wouldn't normally be a pain about this sort of thing, but I really find the serif font difficult for a forum and my eyes.

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                            • JonBJ JonB

                              @SGaist
                              Yes, but you are using Mac, and all my artistic friends who do tell me Macs just work (unlike PCs/Windows) ;-)

                              Whichever, the problem is happening to a variety of people on a variety of platforms/browsers. I wouldn't normally be a pain about this sort of thing, but I really find the serif font difficult for a forum and my eyes.

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                              @JonB You're not a pain. One of the goal of the forum them is to be as pleasing as possible for everybody.

                              Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                              Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                              • JonBJ JonB

                                @hskoglund
                                I am Chrome-only and Windows-only. But my Chrome looks like your Firefox. :(
                                2 are Windows 11 and bad, one is Windows 10 and is good but that might be Chrome settings, I don't know.

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                                @JonB Win11 Microsoft Edge. Same problem.

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                                  Any comment from anyone involved in Qt.io webservices? :)

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                                    Chris Kawa
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                                    It was ok for me until I read this topic and pressed Shift+F5 to reload without cache and now the fonts are missing for me too. Looks like some problem with cross domain references.

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                                      JonB
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                                      #20

                                      Yay, I seem to have a sans-serif font back! Windows/Chrome.

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                                      • JonBJ JonB

                                        Yay, I seem to have a sans-serif font back! Windows/Chrome.

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                                        #21

                                        normal font has returned for me, too. phew. we made it, everybody. thanks for the solidarity :)

                                        • Firefox 119.0.1 (as Snap for Ubuntu)
                                        • Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Jammy

                                        www.219design.com
                                        Software | Electrical | Mechanical | Product Design

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