Extending networking/socket programming functionality of a qml project

SGaist

Here is the thing: network programming is not simple as soon as you put internet in the mix.

Hence, taking the time to study more complexe but detailed examples will help you faster than trying to make things work in a complexe setup. The chat is a good example: simple implementation for local networks, it requires more bricks when you start making a service that shall work across networks on different devices.

qcoderpro

@SGaist

Here is the thing: network programming is not simple as soon as you put internet in the mix.
Hence, taking the time to study more complexe but detailed examples will help you faster than trying to make things work in a complexe setup. The chat is a good example: simple implementation for local networks, it requires more bricks when you start making a service that shall work across networks on different devices.

Yeah, sure. I understand and will certainly study that chat example in near future, but for now I just like to extend my two projects so that they can work through global Internet.

Will you answer the questions I asked above, please? They're important for me.

SGaist

Static address is not required if you have a DNS resolvable name.

VRonin

Your problem is not an application one (if it works over LAN it means that you programmed it correctly), it’s an infrastructure one.
If you don’t have one of the two devices set up to accept incoming connections and with a way to know what IP address to connect to (via either static ip or registering with a DNS) then you can’t do it.
Neither of these conditions, however, depend on the application code, it’s just device setup

qcoderpro

@SGaist

Static address is not required if you have a DNS resolvable name.

Although I've forgotten most of the things from university lessons (years ago) but yet can recall that a DNS works much like a phone book by managing the mapping between names and numbers. Do you mean that I need to setup a DNS resolvable name? Will you recommend a tutorial on this please?

SGaist

Nobody suggested that you install a DNS server. You need to get an address from example from noip or another service.

qcoderpro

@SGaist
Aha, you mean to get an IP address from noip.com for instance, or another website like that.
But how that IP address will work on my projects, please?

jsulm

@qcoderpro said in Extending networking/socket programming functionality of a qml project:

But how that IP address will work on my projects, please?

Your device will get the IP at runtime using DNS.
If you access www..google..com you also do not enter an IP, right? But in the background your machine gets the IP for www..google..com via DNS.

qcoderpro

@jsulm
I mean, is the story this way?
When both projects are run, the server will get the IP address (provided by noip.com). The client also has that address (in its code) so it connects to it. Then they can exchanges messages.
Right?

If so, how about the port number!? Don't we need it?

jsulm

@qcoderpro said in Extending networking/socket programming functionality of a qml project:

The client also has that address (in its code) so it connects to it

Do you mean IP address? No, client also has to get the IP first.

"If so, how about the port number!?" - port number can be fixed (like 8080 for HTTP).

qcoderpro

@jsulm
OK so both projects need to get the IP address at runtime and since the port is set to 8080 (as you said), they can connect and start exchanging messages. Right?

jsulm

@qcoderpro said in Extending networking/socket programming functionality of a qml project:

as you said

I did not. It was just an example.
"they can connect and start exchanging messages" - if they can get the IP then yes.

qcoderpro

@jsulm

OK I visited the page for noip.com and read a number of services they offer, some of them are free, but limited, as expected.
Are the steps to get the IP needed for the projects to work, as below, please?

1: Create an Account.
2: Confirm Your Account.
3: Log In to Your Account.
4: Add a Host or Domain to Your Account.
5: Making Your Host Dynamic.
6: Configure Your Router.
7: Run Your Services

I signed up and then went for adding a hostname but for the domain there're many options, as follows:

Is what I've done so far right, please?
What to choose for the domain, please?

SGaist

yes
that's up to you.

qcoderpro

@SGaist

yes

So I need to go through all those 7 steps. Right?

that's up to you.

I've no idea what to choose and for what, ect. since I'm new in networking and my purpose for using noip service ( (for now)) is just to use it for my two QML projects mentioned above. Which domain do you suggest, please?

SGaist

except the router step, that part you will need to do for your device.
the subdomain really does not matter that much, hence your choice. The default shall be fine.

qcoderpro

@SGaist
I created the hostname with the default domain.
1- But is this hostname the IP address we were aiming to get from noip!?

For the step 5, I installed their app on my Windows and it takes my IP and point it to the hostname so that the hostname works statically as though I'm having a static IP.
But my two apps should not rely on my machine and IP address. They may be run by two different people from different countries.
What I need is that, that hostname acts like a bridge to connect the apps independently of the place they're running from.

SGaist

The device that runs the server shall update the record at noip to point to its own address.

qcoderpro

@SGaist

The device that runs the server shall update the record at noip to point to its own address.

1- So the server, using its code, should update the record at noip to point to its own address, and then client should connect to the hostname at noip. Hence this way both apps can establish a connection. Right?

2- But for the server to get access to noip and update its record and the client to get connected to the address provided by noip, we need an IP address. Right? I only see my PC's IP address and my hostname on noip!

3- Where's that IP address that will do the real job of the connection between the apps? I assume it should be my hostname! Wrong, please?

SGaist

Yes
As I already wrote, it's going to be the role of your server application to update the record at noip. You client will have the host name either hardcoded or as something that can be configured at runtime.
It's the IP address of the device that runs your server application.