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  • jsulmJ jsulm

    @Montanaro You still did not answer this question: is check_for_interrupt blocking or not?
    As you do not use threads in the code you posted I don't see the need for semaphores at all.
    First you call check_for_interrupt, then ui->label->setText - they are NOT executed at the same time.

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    Montanaro
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    @jsulm

    Well … I dont know if check_for_interrupt blocks the resource. I suppose that and I want to detect that.

    I think I can use that:
    https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html

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    • MontanaroM Montanaro

      @jsulm

      Well … I dont know if check_for_interrupt blocks the resource. I suppose that and I want to detect that.

      I think I can use that:
      https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html

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      jsulm
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      #13

      @Montanaro said in Semaphore and multithread:

      check_for_interrupt blocks the resource

      I'm not talking about blocking a resource. I'm simply asking whether check_for_interrupt blocks for longer time or returns immediately.
      And again: why do you think you need semaphore if you do not use any threads?

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      • MontanaroM Montanaro

        Hi
        I have a simple app with one function reading interrupt and with ui.label writing the required value

        I have to divide the function(that checks interrupt) and the ui-label.

        Expert suggest me to put semaphore in.

        How can I do ? 
        
        
        *MainWindow::MainWindow(QWidget* parent) :
            QMainWindow(parent),
            ui(new Ui::MainWindow)
        {
            ui->setupUi(this);
        
           
            qDebug() << "Program started!"
        
            QTimer* timer = new QTimer(this);
            connect(timer, SIGNAL(timeout()), this, SLOT(poll()));
            //timer->start(1000);
            timer->start(500);
        }
        
        
        
        unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
        {
        
        //------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
        {
            unsigned short distance;
                qDebug() << " Polling started";
        
                 check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                
                    qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
         
                    ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
        
            
                }
        
        --------------------*
        
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        wrote on last edited by
        #14

        @Montanaro

        here's the thing, multithreading /parallelization is not trivial. You'll need a good understanding of what you're doing or you end up, at best, wasting lots of time or at worst you shoot yourself in the foot.

        Expert suggest me to put semaphore in.

        I highly doubt that expert status. What is the reasoning behind that statement, please explain

        think I can use that:
        https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html

        The point of a Semaphore is not to use a mutex

        does check_for_interrupt actually take time at all ? And if it does how long. And what does it do exactly. There are other ways to do this, much more neater/higher level ones that mutex or semaphores especially in Qt


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        • MontanaroM Montanaro

          @jsulm

          Well … I dont know if check_for_interrupt blocks the resource. I suppose that and I want to detect that.

          I think I can use that:
          https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html

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          Montanaro
          wrote on last edited by Montanaro
          #15

          @jsulm
          well Experts tell me that code (ui or check_for_interrupt) can occupy the resource while the other line of code ( ui or check_for_interrupt) starts. I 'm beginner so I dont know if it's true but it's mandatory to check that for me.

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          • MontanaroM Montanaro

            @jsulm
            well Experts tell me that code (ui or check_for_interrupt) can occupy the resource while the other line of code ( ui or check_for_interrupt) starts. I 'm beginner so I dont know if it's true but it's mandatory to check that for me.

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            wrote on last edited by JonB
            #16

            @Montanaro
            You have now been asked about 3 times whether your check_for_interrupt() is blocking or returns immediately? Are you going to answer to help those who are trying to help you, or are you going to just ignore the question?

            On a separate matter, it is up to you whether you want to follow the "experts'" advice you have received elsewhere, or whether you want to listen to the "experts" here as well? I do not count myself among the "experts", but there are others posting here who are experts (especially in matters Qt, which your other advisors may not be), so you might want to weigh their comments against those you have received from elsewhere.

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            • J.HilkJ J.Hilk

              @Montanaro

              here's the thing, multithreading /parallelization is not trivial. You'll need a good understanding of what you're doing or you end up, at best, wasting lots of time or at worst you shoot yourself in the foot.

              Expert suggest me to put semaphore in.

              I highly doubt that expert status. What is the reasoning behind that statement, please explain

              think I can use that:
              https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html

              The point of a Semaphore is not to use a mutex

              does check_for_interrupt actually take time at all ? And if it does how long. And what does it do exactly. There are other ways to do this, much more neater/higher level ones that mutex or semaphores especially in Qt

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              wrote on last edited by
              #17

              @J-Hilk

              I dont know.
              He (my senior) suggests me to use that :
              https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html
              so I must try.

              I have two task:

              1. checking_for_interrupt. this function reads the time of flight sensor and its results are for example 120, 150, 180 (millimeter) when I dont use ui. And those results are phisically correct
              2. only ui shows me the number and text on my display, for example: "the distance is …. mm"

              but when I use together (ui and check_for_interrupt), the results of time of flight are: 3000, 3000, 3000, 3000, 3000 and it 's not possible

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              • MontanaroM Montanaro

                @J-Hilk

                I dont know.
                He (my senior) suggests me to use that :
                https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qmutexlocker.html
                so I must try.

                I have two task:

                1. checking_for_interrupt. this function reads the time of flight sensor and its results are for example 120, 150, 180 (millimeter) when I dont use ui. And those results are phisically correct
                2. only ui shows me the number and text on my display, for example: "the distance is …. mm"

                but when I use together (ui and check_for_interrupt), the results of time of flight are: 3000, 3000, 3000, 3000, 3000 and it 's not possible

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                jsulm
                Lifetime Qt Champion
                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                @Montanaro Do you mean if you comment out

                ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                

                in

                unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
                {
                    unsigned short distance;
                        qDebug() << " Polling started";
                
                         check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                        
                            qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                 
                            ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                
                    
                        }
                

                qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                prints correct values?

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                • JonBJ JonB

                  @Montanaro
                  You have now been asked about 3 times whether your check_for_interrupt() is blocking or returns immediately? Are you going to answer to help those who are trying to help you, or are you going to just ignore the question?

                  On a separate matter, it is up to you whether you want to follow the "experts'" advice you have received elsewhere, or whether you want to listen to the "experts" here as well? I do not count myself among the "experts", but there are others posting here who are experts (especially in matters Qt, which your other advisors may not be), so you might want to weigh their comments against those you have received from elsewhere.

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                  wrote on last edited by Montanaro
                  #19

                  @JonB

                  check_for_interrupt returns immediately but always the same result ( I visually dont note difference )

                  Well… I understand your suggest but if I dont try to put mutex in, I dont accomplish my task and my senior dont countenance me :(

                  @jsulm : no. check_for_interrupt (with ui) prints uncorrect values. it's the problem

                  so thanks to all :)

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                  • MontanaroM Montanaro

                    @JonB

                    check_for_interrupt returns immediately but always the same result ( I visually dont note difference )

                    Well… I understand your suggest but if I dont try to put mutex in, I dont accomplish my task and my senior dont countenance me :(

                    @jsulm : no. check_for_interrupt (with ui) prints uncorrect values. it's the problem

                    so thanks to all :)

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                    jsulm
                    Lifetime Qt Champion
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    @Montanaro said in Semaphore and multithread:

                    no. check_for_interrupt (with ui) prints uncorrect values. it's the problem

                    That's why I segested to to comment out this line

                    ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                    

                    and see what happens.
                    Or do you mean something different if you write "with ui", because I really don't understand the problem.
                    "when I dont use ui" - what does this mean exactly? Do you mean an app without UI works?

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                    • jsulmJ jsulm

                      @Montanaro said in Semaphore and multithread:

                      no. check_for_interrupt (with ui) prints uncorrect values. it's the problem

                      That's why I segested to to comment out this line

                      ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                      

                      and see what happens.
                      Or do you mean something different if you write "with ui", because I really don't understand the problem.
                      "when I dont use ui" - what does this mean exactly? Do you mean an app without UI works?

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                      wrote on last edited by Montanaro
                      #21

                      @jsulm

                      I wrote the code without ui and it works. Then I wrote ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance)); into my code and code works with time of 1 second (its resultes are correct) and code doesnt work with time of 500 ms (its results are bad)

                      I dont understant why.

                      Senior suggest me that the resource is occuped by the other process

                      @jsulm I think you are right.
                      If with ui.label or without ui.label, I Always have ui in my code. But I'm not the boss and I have task :D

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                      • MontanaroM Montanaro

                        @jsulm

                        I wrote the code without ui and it works. Then I wrote ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance)); into my code and code works with time of 1 second (its resultes are correct) and code doesnt work with time of 500 ms (its results are bad)

                        I dont understant why.

                        Senior suggest me that the resource is occuped by the other process

                        @jsulm I think you are right.
                        If with ui.label or without ui.label, I Always have ui in my code. But I'm not the boss and I have task :D

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                        J.Hilk
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #22

                        @Montanaro
                        ok, just to make sure, so that I'm not going crazy:

                        unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
                        {
                            unsigned short distance;
                            qDebug() << " Polling started";
                        
                            check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                                
                            qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                         
                            //ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                        }
                        

                        Results in the correct read of
                        120 distance
                        150 distance
                        180 distance

                        but

                        unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
                        {
                            unsigned short distance;
                            qDebug() << " Polling started";
                        
                            check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                                
                            qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                         
                            ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                        }
                        

                        results in
                        3000 distance
                        3000 distance
                        3000 distance

                        ?


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                        A: It's blue light.
                        Q: What does it do?
                        A: It turns blue.

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                        • MontanaroM Montanaro

                          @jsulm

                          I wrote the code without ui and it works. Then I wrote ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance)); into my code and code works with time of 1 second (its resultes are correct) and code doesnt work with time of 500 ms (its results are bad)

                          I dont understant why.

                          Senior suggest me that the resource is occuped by the other process

                          @jsulm I think you are right.
                          If with ui.label or without ui.label, I Always have ui in my code. But I'm not the boss and I have task :D

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                          wrote on last edited by JonB
                          #23

                          @Montanaro
                          First, please answer @J-Hilk's latest question.

                          There must be more going on in your code somewhere than you show... And for my part at least, I don't understand what the "resource" you refer to is....

                          I suggest you briefly test one more case. Try having:

                              qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << QString::number(distance);  // <- this is changed, it uses `QString::number`
                           
                              // next line is still commented out
                              //ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                          

                          Does this produce right or wrong output? If by any chance this also produces wrong output, it suggests that any call to a Qt method is causing a problem, not the label->setText() itself.

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                          • J.HilkJ J.Hilk

                            @Montanaro
                            ok, just to make sure, so that I'm not going crazy:

                            unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
                            {
                                unsigned short distance;
                                qDebug() << " Polling started";
                            
                                check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                                    
                                qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                             
                                //ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                            }
                            

                            Results in the correct read of
                            120 distance
                            150 distance
                            180 distance

                            but

                            unsigned char MainWindow::poll()
                            {
                                unsigned short distance;
                                qDebug() << " Polling started";
                            
                                check_for_interrupt(ADDR, &distance); 
                                    
                                qDebug() << "valore distanza:" << distance;
                             
                                ui->label->setText("il valore della distanza in mm è: " + QString::number(distance));
                            }
                            

                            results in
                            3000 distance
                            3000 distance
                            3000 distance

                            ?

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                            Montanaro
                            wrote on last edited by Montanaro
                            #24

                            @J.Hilk

                            Yes. your summary is right

                            @JonB thanks. I try your suggest (In check_interrupt, I use ioctl to read i2c from dev/usb/myDevice)

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                            • MontanaroM Montanaro

                              @J.Hilk

                              Yes. your summary is right

                              @JonB thanks. I try your suggest (In check_interrupt, I use ioctl to read i2c from dev/usb/myDevice)

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #25

                              @Montanaro
                              Depending on your call to ioctl, it could be a blocking or non-blocking call, which is what we have asked you about with success....

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