file name change to unix file with escaping

[J.Hilk]

@JonB Hold the horses ;)

Windows also allows you to have umlaute in the path/name, and that can cause even under windows problems.

Just because Windows allows it doesn't mean its not bad practice.

[JonB]

@J-Hilk
I admit I don't know about umlauts.

Under Windows, if you don't want to deal with spaces in path/file names, try accepting the default save file name from a new Word document, or try Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V from File Explorer, or try right-click New>Folder, or try executing anything from standard C:\Program Files\... from the command line, or use the standard Save File dialog to get a name from the user, or a million other cases.

So you're going to say all of these are bad practice under Windows. I don't think we'll get anywhere, because we must have different definitions of "bad practice".

[jsulm]

@JonB said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

So you're going to say all of these are bad practice under Windows

Using existing system directories with spaces is not bad practice. But using own directories/file names with spaces (or umlauts) is at least questionable. I try to avoid this.

[RahibeMeryem]

@JonB

yes there is directory and file as below.

Linux path : file = "/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg"

QFile("/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg") . gives error under ubuntu 19.

I will double check tonight

[JonB]

@RahibeMeryem
My Ubuntu 19.04, I have to use Python+PySide2 instead of C++ but no matter:

(py37) jon@ubuntu-19:~$ mkdir "test space"
(py37) jon@ubuntu-19:~$ echo hello > "test space/file"
(py37) jon@ubuntu-19:~$ python3
Python 3.7.3 | packaged by conda-forge | (default, Jul  1 2019, 21:52:21) 
[GCC 7.3.0] :: Anaconda, Inc. on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from PySide2.QtCore import QFile
>>> print(QFile("test space/file").exists())
True
>>> print(QFile("test space/file").size())
6
>>> print(hex(int(QFile("test space/file").permissions())))
0x6644
>>> 

[SGaist]

@RahibeMeryem said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

@JonB

yes there is directory and file as below.

Linux path : file = "/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg"

QFile("/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg") . gives error under ubuntu 19.

I will double check tonight

Hi,

Maybe because there's no /Users folder on Linux.

The home folder for users under Linux is /home.

[KroMignon]

@RahibeMeryem said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

yes there is directory and file as below.
Linux path : file = "/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg"

QFile("/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg") . gives error under ubuntu 19.

On Linux/Unix systems, if you want to access to an user directory, it is preferable to use '~', for example for user foo: QFile("~foo/test dene biri/adf.jpg")

I don't know if on macOS this is also working.

[SGaist]

@KroMignon that's a shell shortcut so it may or may not work depending on what you are doing.
Using QStandardPaths would be better.

[JonB]

But I have asked and the OP confirmed:

yes there is directory and file as below.

Linux path : file = "/Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg"

So he must have checked that on his Linux he has a /Users/..., for whatever reason. He says the issue is to do with the spaces.

[KroMignon]

@JonB said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

for whatever reason

@RahibeMeryem Did you check if the application has read/excecute rights for each sub-directory?

[JonB]

@KroMignon Why are you directing this question to me?

[JonB]

@RahibeMeryem
OK, this is bugging me :) So here is a list of steps which will resolve where we are on this issue.

If you know how to open a terminal/shell/command-prompt-window on Ubuntu:

1. Open a terminal/shell/command-prompt-window. (Do not type sudo anything, if you might be tempted to.)
2. Type ls -b /Users
3. Then ls -b /Users/xxx, with whatever for the xxx
4. Then ls -b /Users/xxx/test dene biri
5. Finallyls -b /Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg
6. If you really get as far as here without a "No such file or directory"-type error, type ls -l /Users/xxx/test dene biri/adf.jpg
7. Copy the output you get as you go along and paste it here.

If you do not know how to open a terminal:

1. Open the "File Explorer" from its icon on the desktop
2. Make it browse to the top-level root directory, named /.
3. Go downwards into directories/folders for your path, i.e. Users, then whatever for the xxx, then test dene biri.
4. Show us a screenshot (screenshot program, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/screen-shot-record.html) of where you get to.

P.S.
I just noticed there is some confusion of whether the path has test dene bir or test dene biri (the extra i at the end) in some of these posts. I may have introduced that inadvertently. Obviously ensure both Mac & Linux code use whichever spelling is correct for you.

[RahibeMeryem]

@JonB @SGaist

I found the STUPiD problem or a bug:

one of my folder path include 'ü' . utf8 character with spaces.

the 'ü' is different between mac os x and linux . in the linux ls -l look %100 identical but its not.

so I create same folder name with linux 'ü' its working now.

suprise.

[JonB]

@RahibeMeryem

in the linux ls -l look %100 identical but its not.

That is precisely why you will see I suggested you use ls -b in all my examples, which I guess is how you spotted it....

[J.Hilk]

@RahibeMeryem said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

@JonB @SGaist

I found the STUPiD problem or a bug:

one of my folder path include 'ü' . utf8 character with spaces.

the 'ü' is different between mac os x and linux . in the linux ls -l look %100 identical but its not.

so I create same folder name with linux 'ü' its working now.

suprise.

Ah, we went full circle, let me quote:

@jsulm said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

@JonB said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

So you're going to say all of these are bad practice under Windows

Using existing system directories with spaces is not bad practice. But using own directories/file names with spaces (or umlauts) is at least questionable. I try to avoid this.

[JonB]

@J-Hilk
For all we know he has no choice about directory spelling. E.g. if his user name contains an umlaut he types in, I would guess Linux creates his home directory based on this. Perhaps because this is "bad practice" we'd better tell Linux to change its ways.... Or, perhaps the user should change his real name to accommodate...

[J.Hilk]

@JonB said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

Or, perhaps the user should change his real name to accommodate...

yep, that's what I did at my old work place,
ü -> ue

[artwaw]

@J-Hilk a bit OT but touches the good/bad practice part: in my workplace we have around 20 nationalities using 4 or 5 different alphabets. All the names and surnames in the sysaccounts/paths are transliterated to English exactly to avoid problems like that.

[mpergand]

This vicious bug is due to the fact that Mac file system uses a special variant of unicode called decomposed form (NFD)
see https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/qa/qa1235/_index.html

However, you may need to convert to precomposed Unicode when you interact with other platforms.
For example, the following are all valid reasons why you might want to convert to precomposed Unicode:
-If you implement a network protocol which is defined to use precomposed Unicode.
-When creating a cross-platform file (or volume) whose specification dictates precomposed Unicode.
-If you incorporate a large body of cross-platform code into your application,
where that code is expecting precomposed Unicode.

For the same reason, if you're using C/C++ libraries that deal with file paths, it's advisable to use the following method for converting QString to *char:
[filePath.toNSString() fileSystemRepresentation];

[Kent-Dorfman]

@SGaist

@SGaist said in file name change to unix file with escaping:

@KroMignon that's a shell shortcut so it may or may not work depending on what you are doing.
Using QStandardPaths would be better.

Yes, tilde is a shell shortcut, so should only ever be used in immediate mode on the command line in shells that recognize it. Use anywhere else can and probably will fail to be interpreted properly.