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  • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

    @jonb said in Emiting signals from singletons:

    I wonder how they define that, and how they achieve it in generated code.

    https://godbolt.org/z/okdC7k

    The second implementation should be preferred in C++11 afaik

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    @christian-ehrlicher said in Emiting signals from singletons:

    The second implementation should be preferred in C++11 afaik

    In general yes, but not for QObjects, as the static instance could outlive the application object. That is an error and can lead to crashes on shutdown, which often go unnoticed because the app is exiting anyway and thus causes subtle bugs because some destructors might not be called.

    For QObjects something like this can be used:

    Foo* getInstance()
    {
        static Foo* s_inst = nullptr;
        if (!s_inst)
        {
            s_inst = new Foo();
            QObject::connect(qApp, &QCoreApplication::aboutToQuit, s_inst,  &Foo::deleteLater);
        }
        return s_inst;
    }
    

    or, if you don't want to pay for that if on every call, you can explicitly delete that singleton somewhere before the app quits, but that tends to lead to errors if you forget.

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      @chris-kawa said in Emiting signals from singletons:

      but not for QObjects

      You're right - so connecting to aboutToQuit or use qAddPostRoutine() should be used here.

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      • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

        @chris-kawa said in Emiting signals from singletons:

        but not for QObjects

        You're right - so connecting to aboutToQuit or use qAddPostRoutine() should be used here.

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        @christian-ehrlicher said in Emiting signals from singletons:

        You're right - so connecting to aboutToQuit or use qAddPostRoutine() should be used here.

        Yeah, you just have to be careful with qAddPostRoutine() if your singleton lives in a dynamically loaded library, as the cleanup code could try to call something from an unloaded lib.

        Another problem with this is that this getInstance() can be called before qApp is created or after it is destroyed (often happens in destructors). I would add an extra check to see if qApp is null and return nullptr, add an assertion, throw an exception or do whatever your favorite way of handling errors is.

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        • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

          @jonb said in Emiting signals from singletons:

          I wonder how they define that, and how they achieve it in generated code.

          https://godbolt.org/z/okdC7k

          The second implementation should be preferred in C++11 afaik

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          @christian-ehrlicher
          I looked at the generated code you linked to. very interesting: as i suspected, it implements "first time executed only" via a "guard variable" :)

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          • Chris KawaC Chris Kawa

            @christian-ehrlicher said in Emiting signals from singletons:

            The second implementation should be preferred in C++11 afaik

            In general yes, but not for QObjects, as the static instance could outlive the application object. That is an error and can lead to crashes on shutdown, which often go unnoticed because the app is exiting anyway and thus causes subtle bugs because some destructors might not be called.

            For QObjects something like this can be used:

            Foo* getInstance()
            {
                static Foo* s_inst = nullptr;
                if (!s_inst)
                {
                    s_inst = new Foo();
                    QObject::connect(qApp, &QCoreApplication::aboutToQuit, s_inst,  &Foo::deleteLater);
                }
                return s_inst;
            }
            

            or, if you don't want to pay for that if on every call, you can explicitly delete that singleton somewhere before the app quits, but that tends to lead to errors if you forget.

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              @stehlo The aboutToQuit signal is meant for exactly such last minute cleanup and should definitely not be avoided. It's possible that there's bug in Qt itself, however I suspect the error is more likely to be in your code. In either case I'd debug the thing first before jumping to conclusions and no matter where the bug is - fix it or report a bug in Qt.

              Can you provide a minimal example that exhibits this problem or a stack trace of the crash from your app?

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              • Chris KawaC Chris Kawa

                @stehlo The aboutToQuit signal is meant for exactly such last minute cleanup and should definitely not be avoided. It's possible that there's bug in Qt itself, however I suspect the error is more likely to be in your code. In either case I'd debug the thing first before jumping to conclusions and no matter where the bug is - fix it or report a bug in Qt.

                Can you provide a minimal example that exhibits this problem or a stack trace of the crash from your app?

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                  Actually the "best" singleton is one that you don't create. When I need the global scope I usually do what QCoreApplication does:

                  class MyGlobalClass : public QObject
                  {
                      static MyGlobalClass * p;
                  
                  public:
                      inline MyGlobalClass(QObject * parent)
                          : QObject(parent)
                      {
                          Q_ASSERT(!p);
                          p = this;
                      }
                  
                      ~MyGlobalClass() override
                      {
                          p = nullptr;
                      ]
                  
                       inline static MyGlobalClass * instance()
                       {
                            // Q_ASSERT(p); can be added optionally.
                            return p;
                       }
                  };
                  
                  MyGlobalClass * MyGlobalClass::p = nullptr;
                  

                  and I create it where it's supposed to go - in the stack (somewhere):

                  int main(int argc, char ** argv)
                  {
                       QCoreApplication app;
                       MyGlobalClass theObject(&app);
                       // ...
                       return ...
                  }
                  

                  I continue to claim that a "singleton" is nothing more than a glorified global variable, so it should be treated exactly as such - a bad monstrously stupid idea in 99.999% of cases!

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                  • kshegunovK kshegunov

                    Actually the "best" singleton is one that you don't create. When I need the global scope I usually do what QCoreApplication does:

                    class MyGlobalClass : public QObject
                    {
                        static MyGlobalClass * p;
                    
                    public:
                        inline MyGlobalClass(QObject * parent)
                            : QObject(parent)
                        {
                            Q_ASSERT(!p);
                            p = this;
                        }
                    
                        ~MyGlobalClass() override
                        {
                            p = nullptr;
                        ]
                    
                         inline static MyGlobalClass * instance()
                         {
                              // Q_ASSERT(p); can be added optionally.
                              return p;
                         }
                    };
                    
                    MyGlobalClass * MyGlobalClass::p = nullptr;
                    

                    and I create it where it's supposed to go - in the stack (somewhere):

                    int main(int argc, char ** argv)
                    {
                         QCoreApplication app;
                         MyGlobalClass theObject(&app);
                         // ...
                         return ...
                    }
                    

                    I continue to claim that a "singleton" is nothing more than a glorified global variable, so it should be treated exactly as such - a bad monstrously stupid idea in 99.999% of cases!

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                      @stehlo said in Emiting signals from singletons:

                      This is an inappropriate statement because I have specifically mentioned that I arrived at the fix after an extensive testing session. I have most definitely not jumped to any conclusions out of the blue.

                      It is a correct statement since, as @Chris-Kawa already mentioned a correct way to clean up stuff before the application ends and it works correctly. So the problem must be on your side but since you don't provide code we can't help.

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                        Deleting the topic for sure helps to fix the problems...

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                        • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

                          Deleting the topic for sure helps to fix the problems...

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                            @stehlo said in Emiting signals from singletons:

                            How do you use such a construct as an object in QML?

                            As a context property?

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                              @stehlo It is your right to use the support that fits you best.

                              But once you asked in public, and many people tried to help you, these answers should stay public.

                              So I've restored the post, and I ask to to keep it that way. Thanks!

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                                @stehlo It is your right to use the support that fits you best.

                                But once you asked in public, and many people tried to help you, these answers should stay public.

                                So I've restored the post, and I ask to to keep it that way. Thanks!

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                                  @stehlo said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                  Therefore, I insist on the removal of this tainted topic without any further discussions.

                                  It'd been forked in its own topic. Which should satisfy your request, shouldn't it?

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                                    Wow this escalated quickly!

                                    I think the fork is a good idea, tbh.

                                    @kshegunov said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                    I continue to claim that a "singleton" is nothing more than a glorified global variable, so it should be treated exactly as such - a bad monstrously stupid idea in 99.999% of cases!

                                    sadly, in combination with QML your options are limited. If you want to access the class from cpp and QML you can do one of the following

                                    • Singleton, instance in cpp and exactly where you need it in qml
                                    • Normal instance in cpp, a global property accessible in all qml files
                                    • using find child to search for your qml item and do the connect in cpp. This falls apart as soon as you start to dynamically load your qml files

                                    So, Pest Cholera, or Malaria.

                                    @stehlo said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                    Without going into extra detail which would detract from the main point, the attempt to deleteLater the QObject unnaturally at the point of the application being aboutToQuit causes either of the two following fatal errors, depending on whether we do this for the networking singleton or the database one:

                                    QObject: shared QObject was deleted directly. The program is malformed and may crash.
                                    abort_message: assertion "Pure virtual function called!" failed
                                    Fatal signal 6 (SIGABRT), Aborted

                                    or

                                    null pointer dereference
                                    Fatal signal 11 (SIGSEGV), Segmentation fault

                                    The attempt to deleteLater is happening either too early or two late.

                                    I actually have to disagree.
                                    after reading the post by @Chris-Kawa I changed my own project to include the about to quit cleanup. That's for about 10 Singletons not once did I have one of your errors mentions above.

                                    I would say there's still something going on that causes your issue, but I think it's user -rather than framework related


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                                    • J.HilkJ J.Hilk

                                      Wow this escalated quickly!

                                      I think the fork is a good idea, tbh.

                                      @kshegunov said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                      I continue to claim that a "singleton" is nothing more than a glorified global variable, so it should be treated exactly as such - a bad monstrously stupid idea in 99.999% of cases!

                                      sadly, in combination with QML your options are limited. If you want to access the class from cpp and QML you can do one of the following

                                      • Singleton, instance in cpp and exactly where you need it in qml
                                      • Normal instance in cpp, a global property accessible in all qml files
                                      • using find child to search for your qml item and do the connect in cpp. This falls apart as soon as you start to dynamically load your qml files

                                      So, Pest Cholera, or Malaria.

                                      @stehlo said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                      Without going into extra detail which would detract from the main point, the attempt to deleteLater the QObject unnaturally at the point of the application being aboutToQuit causes either of the two following fatal errors, depending on whether we do this for the networking singleton or the database one:

                                      QObject: shared QObject was deleted directly. The program is malformed and may crash.
                                      abort_message: assertion "Pure virtual function called!" failed
                                      Fatal signal 6 (SIGABRT), Aborted

                                      or

                                      null pointer dereference
                                      Fatal signal 11 (SIGSEGV), Segmentation fault

                                      The attempt to deleteLater is happening either too early or two late.

                                      I actually have to disagree.
                                      after reading the post by @Chris-Kawa I changed my own project to include the about to quit cleanup. That's for about 10 Singletons not once did I have one of your errors mentions above.

                                      I would say there's still something going on that causes your issue, but I think it's user -rather than framework related

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                                      @j-hilk said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                      Normal instance in cpp, a global property accessible in all qml files

                                      What I wrote. Normal object in C++, a context property in QML. Which is kind of the point of having context properties to begin with, is it not?

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                                      • kshegunovK kshegunov

                                        @j-hilk said in Registering C++ objects in QML:

                                        Normal instance in cpp, a global property accessible in all qml files

                                        What I wrote. Normal object in C++, a context property in QML. Which is kind of the point of having context properties to begin with, is it not?

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                                        @kshegunov yes, and also the reason why I think the Singleton is the lesser of 2 evils, as it's not globally accessible in all Files but has to be explicitly imported inside the File.

                                        Wouldn't you agree 😉


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