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  • H Harry123
    22 Jan 2018, 12:15

    @mrjj

    I don't think I have enough Qt knowledge for this project. I didn't even know about QCoreApplication.
    But as you say, this can be a fun project for a Qt developer, which will in addition help in motivating Windows products to migrate to Qt.

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    mrjj
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    wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 13:03 last edited by
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    @Harry123

    Well, it seems there is no gfx stack included making it
    huge task to do it and most likely will be impossible until MS makes it possible.
    That is why i wanted to test if pixmap works. :)

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      SGaist
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      wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 13:03 last edited by
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      QPixmap requires a QGuiApplication at least.

      I'm not sure I follow your argument against the VNC backend.

      Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
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      • M mrjj
        22 Jan 2018, 13:03

        @Harry123

        Well, it seems there is no gfx stack included making it
        huge task to do it and most likely will be impossible until MS makes it possible.
        That is why i wanted to test if pixmap works. :)

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        Harry123
        wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 13:24 last edited by
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        @mrjj

        Perhaps I'm looking at it too simplistically, but it seems to me that a graphical shell is not required to generate pure pixels in the program's memory. Qt has most of the required software, and if it may rely for some graphical operations on the operating system, existing open-source libraries can surely substitute.
        Whatever graphical information Qt may require, such as screen size and resolution, can be communicated by the graphical client from its own environment.
        Certainly some adjustments may be required in the core libraries of Qt, which is why I believe a more knowledgeable developer than myself is required.

        @SGaist

        VNC presents the desktop, while a Docker Windows container does not have a desktop. It may only have consoles, either Cmd or PowerShell. You may liken the Windows Server under Docker to a Linux server without X.

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          SGaist
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          wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 14:07 last edited by
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          I didn't talk about running a VNC server in a Windows docker.

          I am talking about the Qt VNC backend which lets you connect a VNC client to your application to visualise its content.

          Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
          Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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          • S SGaist
            22 Jan 2018, 14:07

            I didn't talk about running a VNC server in a Windows docker.

            I am talking about the Qt VNC backend which lets you connect a VNC client to your application to visualise its content.

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            Harry123
            wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 14:15 last edited by
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            @SGaist

            I don't understand - if the app is running in the Docker container, there's no graphical surface to visualize, or at least not one created by Windows. I don't think that VNC creates its own canvas, or otherwise it could support multiple sessions, while currently it only mirrors the desktop created by Windows.

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              wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 14:20 last edited by SGaist
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              As I already wrote: not the VNC application. VNC doesn't require a physical display.

              Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
              Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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              • S SGaist
                22 Jan 2018, 14:20

                As I already wrote: not the VNC application. VNC doesn't require a physical display.

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                Harry123
                wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 15:21 last edited by Harry123
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                @SGaist

                I wasn't aware of VNC for headless servers, so I did some research.
                For generic VNC, it seems like all the success stories were on Linux, and in addition required at least a display adapter and its installed driver, even if having no monitor.

                For Qt, I have found The VNC Protocol and Qt for Embedded Linux which isn't helpful and anyway for Qt 4.8.
                I have found references to the QVNCServer class, but none with doc later than Qt 4.8 and no file by that name in the sources of Qt 5.
                But even if QVNCServer is no longer supported, this means that the project is easier than I thought.

                Could you point me to any article for using Qt VNC on a Windows totally headless server using Qt of any version ?

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                  Harry123
                  wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 20:51 last edited by
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                  I have advanced some more and found VNC in Qt 5.9, but must say that there is almost no documentation and no samples.

                  Can anyone help ?

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                    wrote on 22 Jan 2018, 21:39 last edited by
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                    No I don't have such an article at hand.

                    As for testing the VNC backend:

                    1. Download the Qt sources matching your version
                    2. Build the VNC platform plugin
                    3. Install it
                    4. Pass -platform vncas parameter of your application

                    Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                    Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                    • S SGaist
                      22 Jan 2018, 21:39

                      No I don't have such an article at hand.

                      As for testing the VNC backend:

                      1. Download the Qt sources matching your version
                      2. Build the VNC platform plugin
                      3. Install it
                      4. Pass -platform vncas parameter of your application
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                      Harry123
                      wrote on 23 Jan 2018, 09:47 last edited by
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                      @SGaist

                      Isn't the VNC platform plugin an integral part of the distribution ?

                      I can find no documentation later than Qt 4.8, and that also is scarce.
                      The VNC code for Qt 5.10 is much more voluminous than that of 4.8 and is a total rewrite, but no documentation.

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                        wrote on 23 Jan 2018, 22:11 last edited by
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                        It's back since 5.9 IIRC.

                        QPA Parameters:

                        1. port by default 5900
                        2. size=WidthxHeight logical size
                        3. mmsize=WidthxHeight physical size
                        4. depth (8, 16, 32)

                        All are optional.

                        Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                        Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                        • S SGaist
                          23 Jan 2018, 22:11

                          It's back since 5.9 IIRC.

                          QPA Parameters:

                          1. port by default 5900
                          2. size=WidthxHeight logical size
                          3. mmsize=WidthxHeight physical size
                          4. depth (8, 16, 32)

                          All are optional.

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                          Harry123
                          wrote on 24 Jan 2018, 16:27 last edited by
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                          @SGaist

                          Thanks for the info.
                          I marked this as solved, although I'm not really too confident about using this very new software.
                          If only bug reports were better supported (of 3 bug reports none ever got solved).

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                            wrote on 24 Jan 2018, 16:30 last edited by
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                            Which reports ?

                            Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                            Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                            • S SGaist
                              24 Jan 2018, 16:30

                              Which reports ?

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                              Harry123
                              wrote on 24 Jan 2018, 21:05 last edited by
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                              @SGaist

                              4 bug reports in order of nuisance:

                              QTBUG-60576
                              QTBUG-54119 (wrongly marked as solved)
                              QTBUG-53119
                              QTBUG-51624

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                                wrote on 24 Jan 2018, 21:15 last edited by
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                                They don't seem to be related to the VNC plugin itself.

                                Interested in AI ? www.idiap.ch
                                Please read the Qt Code of Conduct - https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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                                • S SGaist
                                  24 Jan 2018, 21:15

                                  They don't seem to be related to the VNC plugin itself.

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                                  Harry123
                                  wrote on 25 Jan 2018, 12:00 last edited by Harry123
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                                  @SGaist

                                  No, but I'm not sure I will start with the new VNC software, being basically beta tester, without direct contact with the developer.
                                  The bug report site does not inspire me with confidence.
                                  I have launched a query on the Interest forum, and am still waiting for anyone to answer.

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