Console Applications

ambershark

At the beginning there were only four simple CLI commands to get the result on our contraction, but now I see after doing more than 4x commands I haven't the file run, and still need to go on!
Why should we bother themselves this way! In the Qt Creator or Visual Studio (for console apps) we can get the result in 10x faster than this CLI method.

CLI may be faster in some cases, but not in this one, at least!
Thank you all. Let's don't continue the topic. Thanks again.

Oh yea CLI is faster in some cases not all. The reason I recommended you trying the CLI for a console app is to learn this stuff. But I bet if we raced, me on a CLI, you with the IDE, I'd win every time. ;) I'm not saying don't use an IDE, they are great. But you should at least understand what the IDE is hiding from you (or making easier). Like @mrjj said GUIs are just making life easier for people who want to type less. And they usually do a great job. I use an IDE too, but not always. For a lot of things I use the CLI since it's so much faster. Git for instance. Almost always command line unless there is a complex command, then I'll use a gui.

All the problems you're running into here are things you will need to know how to deal with. If you were to distribute any software you would need to deal with all these dlls to get it to run on someone else's machine. This is normal development stuff that the IDE is hiding from you. It's very important to learn.

This is also really only an issue with windows. Windows has (at least in my opinion) really annoying ways of finding and using libraries for an application. On a linux or mac system with a properly set up Qt environment, the binary would just run without needing to be pointed at the right supporting libraries, or having to make a distribution by copying the libs to your app directory.

Well, not entirely true, posix OSes have these issues as well but it's really only when you need to make a release distribution and not during development. Even on the command line.

tomy

Yeah, of course you would win :-) ;)

GUIs are just making life easier for people who want to type less.

All people (except professionals) like this way; and since I want to be a professional on this case too, I will certainly catch this topic. I think when I will start using Linux, it will be a good point to learn it too, or even by using the Linux terminal it will be easily achievable.

If you were to distribute any software you would need to deal with all these dlls to get it to run on someone else's machine.

I've done this before. :-)
When I using my C++ experience became able to write a good accurate Qt GUI calculator while I'd read only the first chapter of the Qt book (a few pages), I went to make it installable on others' machines and went to the end of the process and by Qt Framework Installer the goal was available. ;)

So, I'd gone the way, "but", I wouldn't like to re-go through such a rather complex way for such a simple code (main.cpp). :)

Windows has (at least in my opinion) really annoying ways of finding and using libraries for an application.

:-) :D
Thanks.

ambershark

@tomy said in Console Applications:

I think when I will start using Linux, it will be a good point to learn it too, or even by using the Linux terminal it will be easily achievable.

Definitely a good time to learn command line stuff. Linux is a command line OS. You can install a window manager and run GUI apps but it's not a native linux thing. It's a completely separate program.

You don't necessarily need to learn the command line stuff to succeed as a professional developer, but it will help a lot. And you will never be as good as someone else who knows it.

jsulm

@ambershark said in Console Applications:

You don't necessarily need to learn the command line stuff to succeed as a professional developer

I disagree with this statement. As professional developer you should know how to use command line. You often need to use it directly or write scripts. And besides the need to use it you should know it to better understand how the system is working.

tomy

To both of of you: good points thanks.
I can assure you I've made my decision and in few days I will install the latest version of Ubuntu and (as I told you dear friend ambershark) I will ask to suggest me a good tut to help me start using the OS (and I know there are many tuts on the Web, but I'd like to see your suggestions).

Thank you very Much.

mrjj

@tomy said in Console Applications:

Ubuntu

Hi
Ubuntu comes default with a manager called unity.
If you want a more windows like
experience then (also) try
http://www.kubuntu.org/
It uses KDE and is very easy to navigate if already windows trained.
All ubuntu have good docs
~~https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/~~ (old)
https://help.ubuntu.com/community

The files system is the biggest surprise. (mostly good)
But a new linux user , the following is good to know from day one:
1:
Its case sensitive
in same folder you can have a.txt and A.txt and its NOT same file.
So anything with paths/filenames, be extra careful. One big letter in wrong place
and it's not valid.
2:
To run scripts or exe files u download, you need to flag them as "can be run"
chmod +x filename ( in correct case)
Often you can also right click and set it.
3:
You often have to use "./" in front of files to say "in this folder"
say you are in a folder and it has test.exe
If you dont say ./text.exe it will say it cant find file which is often
confusing as you are looking at it :)
4:
If safe to try a billion new programs. Linux has a much tighter systems for "apps"
and once you remove them , it's like they were never there so unlike windows
it won't gobble up or get slow over time. (in the same way)
5:
Most things you do in windows have a just as good solution in Linux. Just
have to find the right program. Only program i could never really find a good match for
was Photoshop but gimp is close. So if you think that some app in linux sucks then
go to app center and have a look. Often there are 10 alternatives to just click Install on and
use. Like an app store for Desktop. But not limited apps but full blown desktop programs.
What is not to like :)

ambershark

@jsulm said in Console Applications:

@ambershark said in Console Applications:

You don't necessarily need to learn the command line stuff to succeed as a professional developer

I disagree with this statement. As professional developer you should know how to use command line. You often need to use it directly or write scripts. And besides the need to use it you should know it to better understand how the system is working.

I can't imagine life without the command line. But I have worked with people over the years that didn't know how to use it at all. Some knew, but barely. They were well paid professional developers.

While I agree with what you're saying and think that people should definitely know CLI stuff, I also know professionals that don't. Which is why I made that statement.

That being said, they were not very good. Especially compared to those of us that knew it. :) So I totally get where you're coming from when you say that.

Eeli K

As a side note, if you want to practice Linux command line but don't want to install Linux, you can start with Cygwin. If I have the power of the administrator when working with Windows I usually eventually install Cygwin on it and keep a Cygwin terminal window open. Almost all the basic command line tools (which are not very low-level system related) are there. Including programming language compilers and interpreters: gcc, python, perl...

If you know Linux command line it's an enticing option to do file management etc. in a Cygwin terminal. Or running the compiler and git commands.

JKSH

@Eeli-K said in Console Applications:

As a side note, if you want to practice Linux command line but don't want to install Linux, you can start with Cygwin.

Or Bash on Windows 10: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-au/commandline/wsl/about

(But if @tomy has already installed full Ubuntu, he should just start with that instead of now downloading Cygwin or Bash)

tomy

Thank you all very much.
Yes, I don't like those stuffs and like to have the whole thing.