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  • SGaistS Offline
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    SGaist
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    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    Hi,

    That's a pretty wrong idea. Your code is going to be understandable only by you and hard to debug for other people.

    All list/vector like containers are indexed at 0. You seem to try to work-around something else. What is it that makes your list related code "better off starting at 1" ?

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    • W Walux

      @Wieland

      Well , all i can say is that in my program i used a lot of QLists that are better off starting with 1 as an index , it would really make the work - and especially the code - more comfortable and readable .

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      kshegunov
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      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      @Walux

      are better off starting with 1 as an index

      This is what fortran does (and a few other obscure and useless languages) but it's arbitrary and completely artificial. An index in an array is the offset from the beginning of that array, so the first element has an offset of 0. There's no real, practical or good reason to think that arrays or lists should start from 1 just because people are used to counting that way; as I said such reasoning is arbitrary and is introduced completely artificially.

      Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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      • kshegunovK kshegunov

        @Walux

        are better off starting with 1 as an index

        This is what fortran does (and a few other obscure and useless languages) but it's arbitrary and completely artificial. An index in an array is the offset from the beginning of that array, so the first element has an offset of 0. There's no real, practical or good reason to think that arrays or lists should start from 1 just because people are used to counting that way; as I said such reasoning is arbitrary and is introduced completely artificially.

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        jsulm
        Lifetime Qt Champion
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        @kshegunov Hey, I learned programming with Turbo Pascal (it's not obscure or useless for me :-)) where you can define whether first index is 0 or 1

        https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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        • jsulmJ jsulm

          @kshegunov Hey, I learned programming with Turbo Pascal (it's not obscure or useless for me :-)) where you can define whether first index is 0 or 1

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          kshegunov
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          #9

          @jsulm
          Actually my beef is with fortran, but you're right of course ... ;)
          Still, C uses the zero-based (offset based) indexing and changing that would go against the language itself (not only against Qt) ... so there's no good reason to do (or even want) it.

          Read and abide by the Qt Code of Conduct

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          • kshegunovK kshegunov

            @jsulm
            Actually my beef is with fortran, but you're right of course ... ;)
            Still, C uses the zero-based (offset based) indexing and changing that would go against the language itself (not only against Qt) ... so there's no good reason to do (or even want) it.

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            jsulm
            Lifetime Qt Champion
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            @kshegunov I agree with you: there is no need to redefine this behaviour.

            https://forum.qt.io/topic/113070/qt-code-of-conduct

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            • jsulmJ jsulm

              @kshegunov I agree with you: there is no need to redefine this behaviour.

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              wrote on last edited by Joel Bodenmann
              #11

              The "rest" of this topic got split into a separate topic.
              Enjoy.

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              • W Offline
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                Walux
                wrote on last edited by Walux
                #12

                Thanks you all for your contribution :)

                I think i'm now convinced that the QList's index must start with 0 , even tho that was not the goal of this topic :b

                To help make the image clear , i used plenty of variables that MUST start with 1 , and these variables are connected to a lot of arrays , what i do now is create NULL variables and store them in the beginning of the arrays i wish to use its items from "1" .

                For example :

                int index0 = 0
                QList<int> myArray;
                myArray << index0 << myInteger1 << ...
                
                

                But , is it safe all the time ?

                Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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                • SGaistS Offline
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                  SGaist
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                  #13

                  Again: why must they start with 1 ?

                  A side effect of your current implementation is that you are wasting memory.

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                  • SGaistS SGaist

                    Again: why must they start with 1 ?

                    A side effect of your current implementation is that you are wasting memory.

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                    Walux
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    @SGaist

                    Hmmm , i guess that i should start accepting the way the arrays are built instead of making stubborn statements , thank you all for your advices .

                    I'll mark the topic as solved.

                    Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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                      Chris Kawa
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      To add to all the excellent points - stuffing an artificial null element just to try to index from 1 will break as soon as you do e.g. myArray.clear() or try to iterate with myArray.begin(), use a range based for or tons of other code types. c++ is 0 based language. Don't swim against the tide.

                      Btw. calling a QList myArray is like calling a sausage chain a nunchaku ;) Although similar at first glance they are completely different things. You'll mislead readers of your code. Don't do that.

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                      • Chris KawaC Chris Kawa

                        To add to all the excellent points - stuffing an artificial null element just to try to index from 1 will break as soon as you do e.g. myArray.clear() or try to iterate with myArray.begin(), use a range based for or tons of other code types. c++ is 0 based language. Don't swim against the tide.

                        Btw. calling a QList myArray is like calling a sausage chain a nunchaku ;) Although similar at first glance they are completely different things. You'll mislead readers of your code. Don't do that.

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                        Walux
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        @Chris-Kawa

                        Got it ;)

                        Taking things from beginning to end : That's my entertainment !

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