Nokia is dying faster than expected - I hope Qt will survive



  • Hi,

    I just read a german article about Nokia and its disastrous situation caused by Stephen Elop. It really makes me worried about the future of Ot and Nokia.

    "How Stephen Elop killed Nokia - his worst wrong decisions":http://www.elektroniknet.de/kommunikation/news/article/79720/0/Wie_Stephen_Elop_Nokia_an_die_Wand_fuhr__seine_katastrophalsten_Fehler/

    All non germans can try google translator to get an english translation of this interesting analysis of the current Nokia situation.

    I is really sad to read this - especially with a device like Nokia N9 in mind.



  • Yeah I share your fears. Another thread was also referring to a "similar article":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/7783/



  • There are no reasons for worries.

    There was Qt before Nokia and there will be Qt long after Nokia has gone.
    Qt is open source and open governance - who will stop us? :-)



  • The OS restriction and premature announcement problems were really problematic...

    Skype inclusion in mobile phones is indeed difficult, but it will be hard to fight forever... for instance, I believe a working web version for mobile devices would be interesting. Still, is the price of data service + skype attractive?

    About the design, I don't think Nokia always had excellent designers... in fact this is something that had to be changed/refreshed (in my opinion :-).

    Finally, the dual-chip is something that I do not agree: I personally lost a lot of money because of phone exclusivity and other stupid provider customizations that almost made it useless after I changed provider. :-( This liberty should be a right protected by law and should not be a valid strategy to the phone providers. In some countries things are starting to change, I hope this thing takes over the world.

    bq.
    There was Qt before Nokia and there will be Qt long after Nokia has gone
    Qt is open source and open governance – who will stop us? :-).

    Agreed... for now :-)



  • and I just notice that Thiago Macieira left Nokia to go to Intel ... It was saying few month ago, that there is no trouble with the futur of Qt/Nokia ...



  • MeeGo means Intel+Nokia.
    You are saying that Nokia will die soon? MeeGo will be Intel+Someone, no doubt about that. Qt has a license that permits an open source fork, however I think Intel would like to invest again on MeeGo/Qt and maybe it can aquire also Qt (why not?).
    So: you are right, Nokia will die, MeeGo/Qt will survive without problems; you are wrong, Nokia will survive, MeeGo/Qt will survive too.
    We know that MeeGo/Qt will survive, it's simple. :-)



  • [quote author="Lukas Geyer" date="1312646277"]There are no reasons for worries.

    There was Qt before Nokia and there will be Qt long after Nokia has gone.
    Qt is open source and open governance - who will stop us? :-)[/quote]

    Absolutely right. But one cannot ignore the push Qt got after being introduced by Nokia to their Symbian Platform and later MeeGo.

    Also even if Nokia made sure that Qt was going to be supported as a development option in their coming Windows Phone 7 devices, the scenario would have been totally different. This would have truly made "Qt Everywhere". This would have definitely boosted Qt's growth as a widely used framework by many folds.



  • bq. Also even if Nokia made sure that Qt was going to be supported as a development option in their coming Windows Phone 7 devices,

    Sorry, didn't they do that?

    Thanks,


  • Moderators

    [quote author="VitorAMJ" date="1312826446"]bq. Also even if Nokia made sure that Qt was going to be supported as a development option in their coming Windows Phone 7 devices,

    Sorry, didn't they do that?

    Thanks,[/quote]

    No, as far as I know, WP7 will be Silverlight-only, and there is no plan to officially support it. At least, that's what was on the news a few months ago.


  • Moderators

    [quote author="VitorAMJ" date="1312826446"]Sorry, didn't they do that?
    [/quote]

    No. No Qt for WP7.



  • Qt Everywhere (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS, Embedded Linux QWS, Embedded Linux X11, Symbian, Windows CE, Windows Embedded, Meego, Maemo, WeTabOS, HPUX, Solaris, AIX) except Windows Phone 7.

    Does not make sense? Feel free to ask questions "here":mailto:Stephen.Elop@nokia.com.



  • [quote author="sierdzio" date="1312827201"]
    [quote author="VitorAMJ" date="1312826446"]bq. Also even if Nokia made sure that Qt was going to be supported as a development option in their coming Windows Phone 7 devices,

    Sorry, didn't they do that?

    Thanks,[/quote]

    No, as far as I know, WP7 will be Silverlight-only, and there is no plan to officially support it. At least, that's what was on the news a few months ago.[/quote]

    The punchline is that (there are rumors that) Microsoft has (will) more or less dropped support for Silverlight a few weeks ago :-)


  • Moderators

    Might as well ask "here":mailto:steveb@microsoft.com for that one. ;-) But, in all seriousness, as said many times before, Qt's not going anywhere any time soon! No worries!



  • :-)

    bq. Lukas Geyer wrote:
    The punchline is that Microsoft has more or less dropped support for Silverlight a few weeks ago :-)

    Interesting, do you have a link for this info?
    Thanks again.





  • Microsoft is going HTML5/JS with Windows 8 and there are rumors that those will become the leading development platform (and thus dropping Silverlight, .NET and WPF).

    Vass has posted some good reads on it.



  • Thanks!
    Well maybe this is the reason why Qt 5 is going to support JS stuff.
    Sometime ago, some people complained about JS in Qt 5. In fact it seems a strategy, i.e., Qt 5 is being prepared to align to that new model...



  • Also a few months ago I had read somewhere that Qt5 won't be supported for Symbian.





  • JFYI: Gartner just "released":http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/11/gartner-android-os-sales-top-ios-rim-and-nokia/ mobile devices sales for Q2 2011.

    bq. ... Google and Apple are the “obvious winners” in the smartphone ecosystem. The combined share of iOS and Android doubled nearly 62% in the second quarter of this year, up from just over 31% in same quarter last year. Google’s mobile operating system now accounts for 43.4% of all smartphone sales, up from 17.2% Q2 2010. And Apple reached 18.2%, up from 14.1% at the same time.

    bq. Symbian is now at 22.1%, down from 40.9%.

    bq. When looking at the mobile phone sales by vendor, Nokia is still on top, with 22.8% of the overall mobile market.

    Microsoft (Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 combined) dropped from 3,6% to 1,6% (again Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 combined).



  • However, MeeGo and QtQuick were not here. :-)



  • [quote author="Lukas Geyer" date="1312836056"]Microsoft is going HTML5/JS with Windows 8 and there are rumors that those will become the leading development platform (and thus dropping Silverlight, .NET and WPF).

    Vass has posted some good reads on it.[/quote]

    Another bad news for programmers... I've been studying .NET for a while now and thats bad news for me..



  • [quote author="antonovputrevski" date="1313368192"]Another bad news for programmers... I've been studying .NET for a while now and thats bad news for me..[/quote]I honestly think you could have seen that one coming...


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