Qt and Nokia’s new strategy
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In LGPL we trust...!
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Ok it's LGPL ... but if there is no more evolution and maintenance, it's the end .. I am afraid... What's happen today clearly said that Trolltech need to be an independant (perhaps fundation ?) company (no more dependant on manufacturer) and Nokia is for sure not the good bet ... Trolltech need to be self profitable and now that it's LGPL it's for sure no more the case.
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In may point of view having investor for Qt was (or IS???) a big thing. Qt changed quite a lot comparing what was before acquisition, and most of these changes were welcomed (like LGPL ...). Yes, I hope and believe that Qt will not dye. In worsest case community will keep it alive. But without major investor it would be much harder to maintain innovation speed and penetration to new platforms, especially mobile ones.
But in either case ... be strong QT ... -
[quote author="Tobias Hunger" date="1297431339"]"This morning’s strategy announcement was a significant shift for Nokia, and all of the parts within Nokia, including Qt.
Given the many implications of this strategy change, we are talking a little bit of time before we contact all of our stakeholders to talk directly with them about what it all means."
I would like to point out though that your investments into Qt are secure, independent of what Nokia will do. The whole code is available to you after all. Nobody can take what is released under LGPL (or whichever licensing option you took) away from you.[/quote]
This is more about mobile platform; for desktop KDE, if no one else, will atleast maintain Qt, but for mobile platform I doubt no company will pick up the maintenance if it isn’t main platform of a device.
I’d like to point out that in one of those announcements was mention that Qt isn’t dropped (now) and Meego will use it whereas it will be used in Symbian too. It looked like it won’t get into WP7, but we can hope for it, I hope.
Losing great contributions of trolls to desktop Qt is huge drawback though, so I don’t want Nokia really discontinuing Qt... Or selling / transferring rights of code to some other company.
But I hope all of you remember that Nokia is not Trolltech; a company who lives from Qt. Nokia lives from mobile phones; I suppose Ovi Market isn’t that profitable like Android’s or Apple’s alternatives are.
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Wow, you sound like the end is near. It's not. Things are admittedly tricky over here right now but so far, we have no indication of Qt going away or let alone being discontinued. We need clarification in many areas but for now, we're doing business as usual.
The communications team is preparing messages and I hope I can share some more information soon. Ideally, over the weekend.
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Hopes ... but ...
at short term, qt will continue .. for sure ... Elop needs you for the transition ... But after...
For small company like mine, It's very disturbing to read Nokia new Roadmap ... I have invested since years in Qt ... and I see no commercial raison (the new roadmap for Nokia ...is clearly not technicall but just commercial ) why Nokia will continue Desktop and mobile Qt platform ... in fact good day for microsoft : find a way to sell wP7, kill meego and symbian and kill the only good commercial C++ platform ... viva dotnet ...Hopes you can communicate on news that we can trust (see previous communication about meego and symbian ... http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Porting_Android_(Java)_applications_to_S60_5th_Edition
I suppose now we will have porting Qt app to .Net
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Yep, maybe in some places there is too much drama but developer moods are not at the best ... it is as is ...
We'll welcome all the news that says any official position about this situation. -
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"My opinion about this.":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2675/P45/#23187
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It's interesting. This move was really inevitable or it's because Elop is former employee of Microsoft ... of course stupid question, we'll never know the truth ... but its in my mind...
I remembered some time ago there was a message from outgoing Nokia CEO saying:
bq. Anssi Vanjoki, outgoing head of Nokia’s smartphone division, likens mobile phone makers that adopt Google’s software to Finnish boys who”pee in their pants” for warmth in the winter. Temporary relief is followed by an even worse predicament.
So it seems Nokia started to pee also ...
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I think that this period of time (just after the announcement of the new strategy) is a time to wait! I hope that Qt will evolve (once more) and adapt to the new status quo. We will just have to wait. :)
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If there would be silence, you could start thinking that everybody is happy about this ...
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[quote author="Algirdasss" date="1297439162"]If there would be silence, you could start thinking that everybody is happy about this ... [/quote]
I was not commenting against posting opinions. I was just commenting against not-well-thought-decisions: you don't give up on an investment* so "easy". ;)
*learning a framework is an investment
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Yep, head is too hot to make good decisions today. Obviously our company will continue on Qt, because price is too hight to move (and thats makes me nervous) ... at least for nearest future. Besides I started making some program on QT for mobile devices. But after todays announcement I started to lean to Android ... that was always my second choice after Nokia's former ecosystem:)
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Mixed feelings ...
I'm a desktop developer with Qt, so my perspective is a little skewed towards that functionality. I feel like Qt has made some interesting improvements since being purchased by Nokia. Going LGPL certainly made things easier and QML has looked really interesting. My problem with the direction was that toolkit development was definitely focusing on the mobile side of things and just getting the cool new stuff to work on the desktop was frustrating.
Whatever the future brings, I hope that QML will not fade away (what a waste that would be). I would never rule anything out, but as of now, mobile development on Qt does not have a very promising near future (and near future is everything in mobile development). Lets face it, there is no future for Qt on mobile platforms under Nokia. The best we can hope for if Qt stays with Nokia is a renewed concentration on desktop applications and continued playtime with Meego.
Qt is suddenly in a toxic environment analogous to the environment Nokia is trying to get out of. I think Nokia is making a smart move. They have to do this to compete. There is no more time to waste. Hopefully they will make the proper decision to move on from Qt (and soon) if it does not figure to play a major role in their strategy. Under the current circumstances, Qt needs a new home where trolls and community members can embrace and extend the great work done with Qt 4 and QML in a timely manner.
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When I spoke with one of the Qt developers on the last Qt developer days in munich I mentioned my fear that with Elop we might see a significant strategic change towards WM7 considering the slow development pace of Qt Quick / Meego / Symbian(^4). Unfortunately my fear was not totally unjust.
Whilst Android/iOS devices sold like crazy some of the technical sessions during DD were about unfinished basic widget animation stuff (cool stuff actually, but not ready for primetime). Casually following the Components mailing list I would say it still is not ready yet.
I don't want to know how much pressure was on the Trolls. But obviously they did not deliver an environment that is needed by Nokia to offer competitive devices now.
Nokia exists to make money. If they support an open source system it's because they hope to make money with that. If they don't they'll drop it. Simple as that. That doesn't mean that I think Elops decision for WM7 is right, I just respect his decision.
I feel sorry for the Trolls though. It's quite a slap in the face.
I hope Qt will have a bright future on the desktop and maybe with future Meego devices because I really like the toolkit and I like the Trolls.
Nils
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I'm also very afraid of the Qt future. I chose Qt because of its good support for all platforms (Linux, Mac OS, Windows, etc.), and because of the good directions Nokia gave to it. But now that Microsoft and Nokia have that partnership, we all know what Microsoft want from its partners: to emphasize the support for its platforms and try to forget the other ones.
Yes, Qt is LGPL. If something wrong happen to it, we can fork it. But fragmentation isn't a good thing.
I really want to be wrong, the time will tell us what will be the future of Qt.
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[quote author="qtnext" date="1297436063"]Hopes ... but ...
at short term, qt will continue .. for sure ... Elop needs you for the transition ... But after...
For small company like mine, It's very disturbing to read Nokia new Roadmap ... I have invested since years in Qt ... and I see no commercial raison (the new roadmap for Nokia ...is clearly not technicall but just commercial ) why Nokia will continue Desktop and mobile Qt platform ... in fact good day for microsoft : find a way to sell wP7, kill meego and symbian and kill the only good commercial C++ platform ... viva dotnet ...
[/quote]Kind of true, but, lets wait.
Nokia is not the only company using Qt, also a Fork could happen. Ubuntu already supports Qt, maybe we see a Phone from them soon, (there rumors about that too ;)).Also, afaik Qt is not owned by Nokia:
http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.phpQt is free.
If Google is smart, they will support the Lighthouse Project on Android, and make Qt work well on Android, this would be really bad for Nokia ;)