C++ Gurus Group - shouldn't we have a forum?



  • When I saw this group I thought here we go! Now we have a place to discuss how Qt makes (or not) use of C++. Some of these discussion happen already all around but would be nice to have a forum attached to the group where we could start some.

    Any reason why we don't have a forum to go along with the group?



  • Where is c++ Guru Group. I would like to join that. And Yes I am in favor of this



  • Good idea, this can be a place to collect all C++ related topics which is not strongly related to Qt (eg. we had a thread recently about forward declarations).



  • oh.... you are fast! :)

    I sent a message to Tobias. I think he is the one that can arrange so we have a forum or, at least, give us the reason why not.

    I can imagine several topics that could be interesting. We probably could have discussions on all levels of expertise but always around the C++ aspect of Qt.



  • [quote author="Immii" date="1293390070"]Where is c++ Guru Group. I would like to join that. And Yes I am in favor of this[/quote]

    On the groups home page - like all other groups :-)
    You can jump in with this "direct link":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/groups/c_gurus



  • [quote author="Volker" date="1293390322"][quote author="Immii" date="1293390070"]Where is c++ Guru Group. I would like to join that. And Yes I am in favor of this[/quote]

    On the groups home page - like all other groups :-)
    You can jump in with this "direct link":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/groups/c_gurus[/quote]

    Thank you volker. Silly me I even googled at that time to find that :(



  • A C++ forum without Qt could help some people, especially beginners in C++ which might have special C++ (not Qt related questsions), and I think, we are enough people here, who might answer them.

    Additionally, there could be discussions about very advanced topics also, that are not really Qt relatted, but perhaps show up during implementing the apps. I hope, Tobias creates a forum :-)



  • When talking about Qt, I often say Qt/cpp... As in, Qt with CPP syntax/look’n’feel :) Quite like Qt/Java.

    In that regard I think Qt is something very wonderful, since it manages to make cpp so less annoying language, especially to new programmers, without actually hiding the stuff.

    EDIT: so yeah, +1 to above post/this thread/whatever ;)



  • [quote author="Smar" date="1293393332"]In that regard I think Qt is something very wonderful, since it manages to make cpp so less annoying language, especially to new programmers, without actually hiding the stuff.[/quote]

    It is quite true, but for experienced users C++ has lots of useful advanced features which in some cases can be very useful to know (and can save you lot of headaches when you have an issue with your application).



  • I may suffer of some illness but I actually enjoy the "dark side" of c++ .... dealing with pointers, allocating (and remembering to deallocate) memory, multi-inheritance, abstract classes, ...

    I still have the feeling that Qt attempts to "dumb down" c++ to make it more attractive to new developers or developers used to java and c#. It is not a bad thing and, in my opinion, Qt still is the best contender for "multi platfom" development with a "c++ twist".

    One more of the reasons why I am looking forward to this forum.



  • [quote author="fcrochik" date="1293394433"]I may suffer of some illness but I actually enjoy the "dark side" of c++ .... dealing with pointers, allocating (and remembering to deallocate) memory, multi-inheritance, abstract classes, ...

    I still have the feeling that Qt attempts to "dumb down" c++ to make it more attractive to new developers or developers used to java and c#. It is not a bad thing and, in my opinion, Qt still is the best contender for "multi platfom" development with a "c++ twist".

    One more of the reasons why I am looking forward to this forum. [/quote]

    I see it like, where Java, C# and such things not, Qt allows using those technologies if you really need hem. There just often is already done approach for a thing, making it simpler for new devs.

    Of course, Qt being high level API, there is things you can do with it like you can do with more low level API, but that’s the life. Mix pure Cpp with Qt/cpp then :P



  • [quote author="Smar" date="1293394791"]
    I see it like, where Java, C# and such things not, Qt allows using those technologies if you really need hem. There just often is already done approach for a thing, making it simpler for new devs.

    Of course, Qt being high level API, there is things you can do with it like you can do with more low level API, but that’s the life. Mix pure Cpp with Qt/cpp then :P[/quote]

    That is exactly why "I am here"....

    Qt gives me the productivity, "larger" cross platform audience and my beloved c++ for when I feel the need.



  • Good idea, I would like to be part of the discussions in it :D



  • I do not have the impression that Qt "dumbs down" things. In fact it's a really good API, which makes things easy to do without leading to error-prone code. There's no need to expose much advanced C++ features to a public API. That does not mean, that Qt is not using the bad tricks under the hood :-)

    Regarding the beginner's questions, I'm not quite convince that this was the intention of the group, but let's wait what Tobias has to say.



  • [quote author="Volker" date="1293399551"]I do not have the impression that Qt "dumbs down" things. In fact it's a really good API, which makes things easy to do without leading to error-prone code. There's no need to expose much advanced C++ features to a public API. That does not mean, that Qt is not using the bad tricks under the hood :-)

    Regarding the beginner's questions, I'm not quite convince that this was the intention of the group, but let's wait what Tobias has to say.[/quote]

    IMO I think that there should be discussions on other libraries such as Boost and there are tons of discussions that will occur for C++ including C++0x, type casting etc. sharing knowledge is the best thing that happens around here :)



  • I believe that it is good to pragmatically and practically program "the Qt way" with C++, knowing that WHEN and IF you (really) need it you can use the "full" power of C++ (e.g.: STL, metaprogramming, etc, etc, etc). ;)



  • +1 for the cpp forum.



  • +1 for this idea.
    It's a great idea, 'cause sometimes problems with code don't have to do with Qt library, many times I have problems with some algorithm who was wrote in pure C++ and IMHO this forum would be very helpful :)


  • Moderators

    I just requested a forum for us:-)

    Happy new year to everybody!



  • It's nice to see that we might soon have a separate forum for C++ discussions.



  • [quote author="Tobias Hunger" date="1294050045"]I just requested a forum for us:-)

    Happy new year to everybody![/quote]

    Thanks and Happy New Year!



  • Thanks a lot. This will help separating pure C++ issues from Qt related issues :-)



  • [quote author="Gerolf" date="1294074334"]Thanks a lot. This will help separating pure C++ issues from Qt related issues :-)[/quote]

    I don't think it should JUST about separating. It should also be a place to discuss how c++ is used in Qt, scenarios where "plain c++" (libraries, classes, functions, ways of doing, ...) can be better suited than the Qt provided.

    Let's wait for the forum so we can get started and see what people will come up with. I just want to make sure that we don't "constraint" too much ourselves with a narrow forum description.



  • Let us see how this will work for all the members of Qt Developer Network.



  • y not?!



  • needs.forum++;
    needs.wiki++; //...where else should the how-tos and snippets go?


  • Moderators

    Here is our "shiny new C++ forum":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewforum/36/!

    I'll move some threads over to it... please feel free to suggest threads to move:-)



  • Yeay! Nice.


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