Rumor discussion: Nokia and Microsoft to team up on Windows Phone 7
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OK, I agree: Android and iOS did not get there over night. They (and others) are rolling already when Nokia still has to get up to speed. That probably gives a distorted view at the progress.
bq.
The same goes for Apple. I think that Apple can actually make people buy a pencil by marketing it as a new way of communicating, “just write your message on a piece of paper…”And then Apple announces: "By the way, from now on everything you've written belongs to us!" And the people are cheering in ecstasy ... ;-)
That's why we need the MeeGo! Damn, I need a phone (mine is 8 years old) and refuse to buy Android or Apple.
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[quote author="Knacktus" date="1296879822"]OK, I agree: Android and iOS did not get there over night. They (and others) are rolling already when Nokia still has to get up to speed. That probably gives a distorted view at the progress.
bq.
The same goes for Apple. I think that Apple can actually make people buy a pencil by marketing it as a new way of communicating, “just write your message on a piece of paper…”And then Apple announces: "By the way, from now on everything you've written belongs to us!" And the people are cheering in ecstasy ... ;-)
That's why we need the MeeGo! Damn, I need a phone (mine is 8 years old) and refuse to buy Android or Apple.[/quote]
Buy a Nokia N8. I have a Nexus One also but the N8 is my default phone :)
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One thing that I don't get is, why is people in such a hurry? Nokia is a profitable company as of right now. It has lost market share in high end phones, but there is no need to rush it. I mean, US-centric tech sites (and their readers) are all the time saying that "Nokia is late in the game". WTF? You know who were late in the game too? Apple and Google. They came to the phone market years after Nokia.
They seem like if 2011 is the end of the world, and you know what? Nokia and everyone else will be still selling phones in 2012, 2013, 2014, and so on. You don't need to focus in doing something awesome but for this year only, at the expense on the future. You have to think in the things to come midterm too.
What really worries me, is that Nokia spent a lot of time in Orbit/DUI/MeeGo Touch, creating the Symbian Foundation, closing the Symbian Foundation, etc. Symbian needs a complete UI rewrite, IMHO, and it needs to be Qt based, but the announcement of "Nokia moving solely to Qt":http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/21/nokia-focuses-on-qt-to-extend-reach-for-developers-make-mobile-experience-richer-for-users/ came as late as October 2010. The rumor is that PR2.0 for Symbian^3 (well, now just Symbian) will be soon be released, and will do that overhaul of the UI. Let's see if the MWC and February bring some shiny stuff. In the meantime, I don't think that Symbian is total crap, as some try to make everybody think. My C7 kicks ass to my HTC Desire in many aspects.
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There are couple of points, questions and answers that I would like to add:
- Who invented the smart phone?
This is clearly Nokia's credit - Who invented the app store?
The first mobile application store was introduced by Nokia in the N-Gage product line for selling mobile games to mobile users. - You cannot compare Nokia with Google and Apple, why?
Because Nokia is one company which was leading both dumb phone and smart phone market for years, now Android devices are not "Google" devices but all manufacturers devices so you see Android on LG, HTC, you name it; You don't see Symbian^3 on any other device rather than Nokia. On the other hand iPhone is and will remain the luxury game console/phone and you can see its market share, in my hometown Nokia N8 (which is a brilliant device) consts 550 euros and the iPhone 4 (unlocked) costs 800 euros (or more), now see who can buy which phone, the N8 with all those features (+ camera) or the iPhone... as Nokia says: "It's not the technology, it's what you do with it"
On the other hand I see speculations like "this":http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/technology/04nokia.html?_r=1 saying that Nokia will make WP7 devices for gaining the US market, I highly doubt (but I am not denying the possibility) because WP7 IMO is a failure since its first day and its market share is only 2% if we add it to the 31% of Nokia's market share it will be 1% higher than Google with Android.
With the new product line, Symbian^3 and Qt Nokia is back, compare C7, N8 and E7 to the N97, XpressMusic and N97 mini.
- Who invented the smart phone?
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[quote author="ness522" date="1296906193"]What would be nice is to develop mobile apps with Qt and deploy on Symbian, Meego, Android, WP7 and why not Iphone :)
"Code once, deploy everywhere", that's what they said [/quote]
Symbian, MeeGo, Android are possible today :) IPhone is known as possible platform, but port is 3rdparty closed-source stuff. WP7 is the one where I doubt that we will see Qt (because of all this Silverlight stuff).
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I mostly agree with mario. Symbian and MeeGo are great (or will be). It's just a thought that the media planted in the people that Symbian^3 isn't good enought now. I've read everywhere that Symbian^3 is just a bugfix and so on, but when I got my awesome Nokia C7, I was surprised of the improvements in Symbian^3 after using my 5800. And with the PR. 2.0 it will be even better.
I see many people using Android and Bada phones, but they aren't better. There are some things that they can and Symbian doesn't, and there are some things that it can and the others doesn't. iPhone is just ... an Apple product, where the hilosophy is: "It's not a bug, it's a feature!", oh come on...
Oh, and about Android, I know that Nokia have a new CEO, but I like what "Anssi Vanjoki have said":http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-anssi-vanjoki-says-using-android-is-like-pe/: "using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" . And there is in this metafora, because the big money is in the services and the hardware together, and HTC and the others give one of the two to Google.
So there will be a great Symbian OS with Qt on our awesome Nokia devices, there will be an even greater MeeGo platform!
Oh, and about the Microsoft, I rather like the idea of some other collaboration than smart phones, maybe a tablet or a new booklet or a new service.
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[quote author="CreMindES" date="1296917553"]I mostly agree with mario. Symbian and MeeGo are great (or will be). It's just a thought that the media planted in the people that Symbian^3 isn't good enought now. I've read everywhere that Symbian^3 is just a bugfix and so on, but when I got my awesome Nokia C7, I was surprised of the improvements in Symbian^3 after using my 5800. And with the PR. 2.0 it will be even better.
I see many people using Android and Bada phones, but they aren't better. There are some things that they can and Symbian doesn't, and there are some things that it can and the others doesn't. iPhone is just ... an Apple product, where the hilosophy is: "It's not a bug, it's a feature!", oh come on...
Oh, and about Android, I know that Nokia have a new CEO, but I like what "Anssi Vanjoki have said":http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-anssi-vanjoki-says-using-android-is-like-pe/: "using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" . And there is in this metafora, because the big money is in the services and the hardware together, and HTC and the others give one of the two to Google.
So there will be a great Symbian OS with Qt on our awesome Nokia devices, there will be an even greater MeeGo platform!
Oh, and about the Microsoft, I rather like the idea of some other collaboration than smart phones, maybe a tablet or a new booklet or a new service.
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I agree with you here. Also to add I can play HD movies from my external 1TB hard drive on my 42" HD TV using my Nokia N8 with HDMI output and USB input! Isn't this brilliant?
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I also hope they make it a bit easier to publish apps on Ovi. I have publish one app and it took my over 1.5 months to get it accepted.
The guys over at Cutehacks (read the blog post here: "http://cutehacks.com/2011/02/01/28-days-later/":http://cutehacks.com/2011/02/01/28-days-later/ also experienced the same thing, but it only took them 28 days :)
But I have faith that Nokia does something about it...
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Finally there is this official announcement from microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/feb11/02-11partnership.mspx
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"A Letter to Developers about Today's News":http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/02/11/letter-to-developers?sf1066337=1
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[quote author="sleam" date="1297413163"]Well, this was the death of Qt, right?[/quote]
It seems so atleast in the Mobile devices world. I am really feeling bad after hearing this announcements.
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So I had better stop learning Qt and start learning WP7 !!
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[quote author="Phil_in_China" date="1297414647"]So I had better stop learning Qt and start learning WP7 !![/quote]
Now there is no idea where this is going to. First Symbian then Symbian Foundation the Qt for Symbian - back to Symbian licensing and now to WP7.
Android looks interesting for this point of view.
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[quote author="stuk" date="1297415522"]Qt for WP7?!?[/quote]
Well that can be done, "@snowpong":http://www.twitter.com/snowpong was responsible for porting Qt to Windows Mobile/CE and Symbian and he said that WP7 is using the Windows CE kernel and Qt already works on that... but are we allowed to publish our Qt apps to the WP7 App Market? I don't know :)
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I hope...
[quote author="Milot Shala" date="1297415657"][quote author="stuk" date="1297415522"]Qt for WP7?!?[/quote]
Well that can be done, "@snowpong":http://www.twitter.com/snowpong was responsible for porting Qt to Windows Mobile/CE and Symbian and he said that WP7 is using the Windows CE kernel and Qt already works on that... but are we allowed to publish our Qt apps to the WP7 App Market? I don't know :)[/quote]
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I think this is one of the worst decisions Nokia could have made. They give up a huge part of their own potential!
bq. Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same. With 200 million users worldwide and Nokia planning to sell around 150 million more Symbian devices, Symbian still offers unparalleled geographical scale for developers.
That sounds like "qt will not play a major role in the future, but we wont let it die on mobile platforms right away, we'll give it a last respite - but when that 150 million devices are sold out, that will be it.
The smartest decision nokia could make right now is to put a lot of efforts in porting Qt to Windows Phone 7 (and possibly other platforms) - otherwise developers will turn away from Nokia.
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[quote author="marsupial" date="1297415883"]I think this is one of the worst decisions Nokia could have made. They give up a huge part of their own potential!
bq. Qt will continue to be the development framework for Symbian and Nokia will use Symbian for further devices; continuing to develop strategic applications in Qt for Symbian platform and encouraging application developers to do the same. With 200 million users worldwide and Nokia planning to sell around 150 million more Symbian devices, Symbian still offers unparalleled geographical scale for developers.
That sounds like "qt will not play a major role in the future, but we wont let it die on mobile platforms right away, we'll give it a last respite - but when that 150 million devices are sold out, that will be it.
The smartest decision nokia could make right now is to put a lot of efforts in porting Qt to Windows Phone 7 (and possibly other platforms) - otherwise developers will turn away from Nokia.[/quote]
After I saw the announcement, the first thing I was thinking was "this":http://www.di.fm/images/android.png