[Groups] What's the rationale for regional group names?



  • Or, are there any guidelines about that? :)

    The point is, why some groups are called "Qt Russia", "Qt Brazil", etc. (i.e., Qt CountryName) and others "Qt German", "Qt Italian", etc.? Should there be both country-specific groups and language-specific groups or what?



  • I think is the same, for example i create the first Qt Italian, but before me have accept Qt Russia and Qt India. If i saw Qt Russia i have create Qt Italy not Italian.



  • I can only speak for "Qt German". The rationale was, that "Qt Germany" would have been obviously limited to Germany as a country. I did not want to exclude the Austrian and Swiss community, as Thus I decided to go for the language name. I think that's a bit special for the mostly German speaking regions in Europe (aka "D-A-CH":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-A-CH).

    BTW: The group names can be changed by the owners.



  • [quote author="Volker" date="1292456734"]I can only speak for "Qt German". The rationale was, that "Qt Germany" would have been obviously limited to Germany as a country. I did not want to exclude the Austrian and Swiss community, as Thus I decided to go for the language name. I think that's a bit special for the mostly German speaking regions in Europe (aka "D-A-CH":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-A-CH).
    [/quote]

    That falls into the "language-specific" group name I talked about, which makes sense. But does that imply that "Qt Russia" is limited to Russia and does not include all "Russian-speaking countries":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language ? I don't think so, that why I asked for a policy. If we decide that it must be chosen on a case by case basis it's perfectly fine with me :-)

    [quote]BTW: The group names can be changed by the owners.[/quote]

    Good to know :)



  • We discussed this during the day, we had to think a bit more, guidelines coming tomorrow :)



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1292457243"]We discussed this during the day, we had to think a bit more, guidelines coming tomorrow :)[/quote]

    Great! :)



  • BTW: The group names can be changed by the owners.[/quote]
    I see this now, i have request change to Qt Italy.



  • Hi,
    my personal opinion is that language groups would be better than country groups, as then you can just use the groups, you speak the language and talk there in native language. Especially, if you have a wiki there, where you want translated pages in :-)



  • [quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292487001"]Hi,
    my personal opinion is that language groups would be better than country groups, as then you can just use the groups, you speak the language and talk there in native language. Especially, if you have a wiki there, where you want translated pages in :-)[/quote]

    I agree.



  • [quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292487001"]Hi,
    my personal opinion is that language groups would be better than country groups, as then you can just use the groups, you speak the language and talk there in native language. Especially, if you have a wiki there, where you want translated pages in :-)[/quote]

    I agree we should share the content (and forums) written in the same language. Another option is to keep the groups per country, but share forums and wikis between them (it's possible AFAIK)



  • Imhò, maybe your idea is best then me. I think is usefull have a language group and not nation group, your last post made me change my mind.



  • [UPDATED: Confusion on my end between writing and thinking]

    Yes, the idea was to name the forums according to languages. I went back and forth with myself on the matter yesterday and I came to the conclusion, that it probably makes most sense that way.

    So forums for Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Russian etc.

    For the groups, I prefer to keep them regional. It will make it easier mid-term to meet group members in person if they are at least in somewhat the same area. I know, all is relative if one looks at Russia or China or Brazil, but it's a start. :-P

    What do you people think?



  • Sorry Alexandra, i don't understand if i have to request rename or you (or admin) rename the group with this 'standard'.

    [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1292504805"]Yes, the idea was to name the groups according to languages. I went back and forth with myself on the matter yesterday and I came to the conclusion, that it probably makes most sense that way.

    Qt Italian, Qt Spanish, Qt Portuguese, Qt German, Qt Russian etc.

    That said: I will look through the groups we have and might rename some accordingly. I already saw some requests flowing in.[/quote]



  • [quote author="stuk" date="1292505017"]Sorry Alexandra, i don't understand if i have to request rename or you (or admin) rename the group with this 'standard'.[/quote]

    See above, I was confused.

    For renaming, you can request it or I can change it myself. It will end up in my queue for manual work anyway. :)



  • But if we create the groups locally and the forums by language, then a Qt Switzerland group needs 3 forums... (German, French and Italian). I think, it would be better to make the groups by language and perhaps subgroups in the specific forums for the countries, if that is wished.But which group should I join for the German forum, Austria, Germany or Switzerland?



  • [quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292505984"]But if we create the groups locally and the forums by language, then a Qt Switzerland group needs 3 forums... (German, French and Italian). I think, it would be better to make the groups by language and perhaps subgroups in the specific forums for the countries, if that is wished.But which group should I join for the German forum, Austria, Germany or Switzerland?[/quote]

    I don't think that forums and groups must have a hierarchial structure: the same German forum can be used by the Germany, Switzerland, Austria groups and so on. This allows you to join (for instance) the "Austria" group and the "German" forum/wiki at the same time.



  • But if the Austrian and the German group share the wiki and the forum, why should they be separated? What is then the difference between the two groups?



  • [quote author="peppe" date="1292508936"]
    I don't think that forums and groups must have a hierarchial structure: the same German forum can be used by the Germany, Switzerland, Austria groups and so on. This allows you to join (for instance) the "Austria" group and the "German" forum/wiki at the same time.[/quote]

    Precisely. That was the idea. Or rather: the groups will share a forum where it makes sense; Qt Latin America and Qt Spain for example. I know that it can become a minefield but I have high hopes that you people are pragmatic.



  • So the only difference would be the members, so I can see the members from Germany, but in the forum, all German speaking people are in?



  • [quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292509219"]So the only difference would be the members, so I can see the members from Germany, but in the forum, all German speaking people are in?[/quote]

    Why not? :-)



  • Let's wait some weeks an see how things are going on... groups are quit hot new and we are still not accustomed to use them... As long as there are only three threads, we should not bother on how to split the forum :-)



  • IO would say it's more of combining them or not (spain, Latin Amerika, etc...) or not. Regional or by language, why and how do we use groups? etc. :-)



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1292504805"]
    For the groups, I prefer to keep them regional. It will make it easier mid-term to meet group members in person if they are at least in somewhat the same area. I know, all is relative if one looks at Russia or China or Brazil, but it's a start. :-P

    What do you people think?

    [/quote]

    I agree with this. If we go by language, then there will never be a local group for the Indian developer community. Here we use English and only English when it comes to computers/programming.



  • Are you sure is a good idea speak 'natural' language in a region group? Ok, this is useful for the group, but for the other user that want follow the job of other group is a problem.

    For example, if a german group speak about useful function for the devnet, more user can't understand what they write.
    Same to the regional tag.

    There is a advantage in a side and a disadvantage in other side.



  • Regional groups should allow for the native languages the cover, imho. Sometimes it is hard to express the problem in english - way not all of us are native english speakers and many have may have only some limited knowledge of english. If the problem is important enough, it will pop up in the main forums too, I'm sure.



  • I see a big advantage for people, that are not that well in English or that can't describe their problems in English. There already exist some forums in German for Qt, because those people want to talk German (why ever :-)). So that's why the language groups perhaps should talk in native, if they want.
    I agree that the disadvantage is, that not all people can follow the discussions, but that's why it's a language / regional group, isn't it? Otherwise they could also talk in the global forum.



  • just a side note, in India we have about 850+ languages that are spoken of which, about 23 languages are considered official ... so at present we stick to English here :)



  • Perhaps we should have regional and/or language groups?



  • For me the best way is to have languages groups.



  • Both "types" of group seem to make sense. You may want a Brazilian/Brazil group for people that live in Brazil and want to share experiences, make "close contact", find job opportunities, ...

    But you may also want to have a "Portuguese speaking group" for people that feel more comfortable or can only speak Portuguese. This one would be a good starting point for documents written in Portuguese.



  • Ok, now how comes that I see a "Qt Germany" forum and a "Spanish" one (i.e. Qt + country vs. Language)?



  • I thought it was Qt German? Volker, could you please change that?



  • In fact, it's a Qt German group (I had a look now)



  • Yes and there is italian forum.
    [quote author="peppe" date="1292516492"]Ok, now how comes that I see a "Qt Germany" forum and a "Spanish" one (i.e. Qt + country vs. Language)?[/quote]



  • Ok, I think I had a look while renaming was in progress. Nice job, everybody! :-)



  • Hm... it was always "Qt German". I did not notice it changed and further changed back...


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