[Groups] What's the rationale for regional group names?

dangelog · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 09:31

[quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292487001"]Hi,
my personal opinion is that language groups would be better than country groups, as then you can just use the groups, you speak the language and talk there in native language. Especially, if you have a wiki there, where you want translated pages in :-)[/quote]

I agree.

anselmolsm · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 12:09

[quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292487001"]Hi,
my personal opinion is that language groups would be better than country groups, as then you can just use the groups, you speak the language and talk there in native language. Especially, if you have a wiki there, where you want translated pages in :-)[/quote]

I agree we should share the content (and forums) written in the same language. Another option is to keep the groups per country, but share forums and wikis between them (it's possible AFAIK)

stukdev · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 12:31

Imhò, maybe your idea is best then me. I think is usefull have a language group and not nation group, your last post made me change my mind.

troubalex · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 13:06

[UPDATED: Confusion on my end between writing and thinking]

Yes, the idea was to name the forums according to languages. I went back and forth with myself on the matter yesterday and I came to the conclusion, that it probably makes most sense that way.

So forums for Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Russian etc.

For the groups, I prefer to keep them regional. It will make it easier mid-term to meet group members in person if they are at least in somewhat the same area. I know, all is relative if one looks at Russia or China or Brazil, but it's a start. :-P

What do you people think?

stukdev · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 13:10

Sorry Alexandra, i don't understand if i have to request rename or you (or admin) rename the group with this 'standard'.

[quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1292504805"]Yes, the idea was to name the groups according to languages. I went back and forth with myself on the matter yesterday and I came to the conclusion, that it probably makes most sense that way.

Qt Italian, Qt Spanish, Qt Portuguese, Qt German, Qt Russian etc.

That said: I will look through the groups we have and might rename some accordingly. I already saw some requests flowing in.[/quote]

troubalex · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 13:15

[quote author="stuk" date="1292505017"]Sorry Alexandra, i don't understand if i have to request rename or you (or admin) rename the group with this 'standard'.[/quote]

See above, I was confused.

For renaming, you can request it or I can change it myself. It will end up in my queue for manual work anyway. :)

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 13:26

But if we create the groups locally and the forums by language, then a Qt Switzerland group needs 3 forums... (German, French and Italian). I think, it would be better to make the groups by language and perhaps subgroups in the specific forums for the countries, if that is wished.But which group should I join for the German forum, Austria, Germany or Switzerland?

dangelog · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:15

[quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292505984"]But if we create the groups locally and the forums by language, then a Qt Switzerland group needs 3 forums... (German, French and Italian). I think, it would be better to make the groups by language and perhaps subgroups in the specific forums for the countries, if that is wished.But which group should I join for the German forum, Austria, Germany or Switzerland?[/quote]

I don't think that forums and groups must have a hierarchial structure: the same German forum can be used by the Germany, Switzerland, Austria groups and so on. This allows you to join (for instance) the "Austria" group and the "German" forum/wiki at the same time.

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:18

But if the Austrian and the German group share the wiki and the forum, why should they be separated? What is then the difference between the two groups?

troubalex · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:19

[quote author="peppe" date="1292508936"]
I don't think that forums and groups must have a hierarchial structure: the same German forum can be used by the Germany, Switzerland, Austria groups and so on. This allows you to join (for instance) the "Austria" group and the "German" forum/wiki at the same time.[/quote]

Precisely. That was the idea. Or rather: the groups will share a forum where it makes sense; Qt Latin America and Qt Spain for example. I know that it can become a minefield but I have high hopes that you people are pragmatic.

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:20

So the only difference would be the members, so I can see the members from Germany, but in the forum, all German speaking people are in?

dangelog · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:22

[quote author="Gerolf Reinwardt" date="1292509219"]So the only difference would be the members, so I can see the members from Germany, but in the forum, all German speaking people are in?[/quote]

Why not? :-)

goetz · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:30

Let's wait some weeks an see how things are going on... groups are quit hot new and we are still not accustomed to use them... As long as there are only three threads, we should not bother on how to split the forum :-)

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:42

IO would say it's more of combining them or not (spain, Latin Amerika, etc...) or not. Regional or by language, why and how do we use groups? etc. :-)

? This user is from outside of this forum · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 14:45

[quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1292504805"]
For the groups, I prefer to keep them regional. It will make it easier mid-term to meet group members in person if they are at least in somewhat the same area. I know, all is relative if one looks at Russia or China or Brazil, but it's a start. :-P

What do you people think?

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I agree with this. If we go by language, then there will never be a local group for the Indian developer community. Here we use English and only English when it comes to computers/programming.

stukdev · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 15:44

Are you sure is a good idea speak 'natural' language in a region group? Ok, this is useful for the group, but for the other user that want follow the job of other group is a problem.

For example, if a german group speak about useful function for the devnet, more user can't understand what they write.
Same to the regional tag.

There is a advantage in a side and a disadvantage in other side.

goetz · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 15:48

Regional groups should allow for the native languages the cover, imho. Sometimes it is hard to express the problem in english - way not all of us are native english speakers and many have may have only some limited knowledge of english. If the problem is important enough, it will pop up in the main forums too, I'm sure.

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 15:53

I see a big advantage for people, that are not that well in English or that can't describe their problems in English. There already exist some forums in German for Qt, because those people want to talk German (why ever :-)). So that's why the language groups perhaps should talk in native, if they want.
I agree that the disadvantage is, that not all people can follow the discussions, but that's why it's a language / regional group, isn't it? Otherwise they could also talk in the global forum.

? This user is from outside of this forum · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 16:04

just a side note, in India we have about 850+ languages that are spoken of which, about 23 languages are considered official ... so at present we stick to English here :)

giesbert · wrote on 16 Dec 2010, 16:09

Perhaps we should have regional and/or language groups?