Wiki edit and points



  • Multiple editing of one wiki article don't give multiple points (and this is correct). But sequential changes on different wiki pages don't give points also, only for first edit.



  • Yes that's correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day.



  • hi gurudutt, that has to be added to the bug list, what denis says is right, every wiki page if edited should give points, but only one edit per wiki page should earn points. Repeat edits should not



  • wouldn't it be easy to identify if only white spaces were edited or if content was changed, but again you have to filter out spelling corrections .. I'd say how about identifying if at least one new sentence was changed (added/removed)? is that feasible ?



  • Chetankjain, I'm agreed that some sort of heuristic needed there, but also as developers I can't say how it should be configured. Maybe based on number of characters changed and their entropy.



  • Though this is evil, only really reliable system is punishment system... Edit can 1000 lines long and just be copied from Wikipedia.



  • Whats the status on this? Has this issue been recognized as a bug



  • It's not a bug, it's on purpose. We're reconsidering though.



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1291298556"]It's not a bug, it's on purpose. We're reconsidering though.[/quote]

    thank you. I am sure the community will benefit from it.



  • [quote author="Gurudutt" date="1288351136"]Yes that's correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day. [/quote] I absolutely love this decision and implementation. I suppose that it reduces distrust on minor edit activities, and thus makes the everyday life calm. :)

    (compared to the WikiMedia/Wikipedia edit counters)

    [quote author="Denis Kormalev" date="1288606968"]Chetankjain, I'm agreed that some sort of heuristic needed there, but also as developers I can't say how it should be configured. Maybe based on number of characters changed and their entropy.[/quote] if you are serious, this seems too complicated - abuse will never be repressed, I'm afraid. ;)



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1291323504"]
    [quote author="Gurudutt" date="1288351136"]Yes that's correct, system gives point for first wiki edit in a day. [/quote] I absolutely love this decision and implementation. I suppose that it reduces distrust on minor edit activities, and thus makes the everyday life calm. :)

    [/quote]

    Can this still be abused? Someone can start a wiki by seeing a need for it, put in the title and leave it at that. Get the maximum points and the author who fills in all the details gets points for just one edit which is much lesser than for creating the wiki ... :)



  • Maybe give points based on the amount of content they added to the wiki. Only problem is you'll get the wiki full of 'fluff' like high school essays.

    So here's my idea: To cover the initial points (5 is it?) for creating a wiki entry, it could be based on content BUT up to a certain limit (say 300 words) where you don't get extra points. So the points will be available until the first 300 words of that entry are filled.

    Afterwards you only get point for first edit of the day.

    Edit:
    In fact, it may even be better not to advertise how points are made. You can make it complicated. That way those people won't try to work out what gets them the most points but rather just interact with the wiki/forum normally.



  • [quote author="xsacha" date="1291353853"]Maybe give points based on the amount of content they added to the wiki. Only problem is you'll get the wiki full of 'fluff' like high school essays.

    So here's my idea: To cover the initial points (5 is it?) for creating a wiki entry, it could be based on content BUT up to a certain limit (say 300 words) where you don't get extra points. So the points will be available until the first 300 words of that entry are filled.

    Afterwards you only get point for first edit of the day.[/quote]

    this might still not work, if you see the code snippets section, there can be many useful tips -- some code snips which are just a couple of lines but which could be a life saver for someone really stuck with a problem ... 300 words for points might not be ideal in that case



  • @xsacha, @chetankjain: This is the point where I dislike the QtDN points: It almost tempts one to focus too much on the "payment". But the work should be done first.

    We'd better ask for a more social evaluation, something like the I-like-it way of facebook. But for edits itself (and for posts), not for entire pages (or threads).



  • We will be making a change to how we award points to wiki editing that might give some of you a solid bump in points tonight when the point script does its magic. This change is retroactive.

    Now it will be like this: "you get points for editing up to 5 wiki pages a day" (not the same page though)

    It's a change from: "you get points for editing only 1 wiki page a day"

    For thought on the "it's not perfect"-topic, please have a look at one of my earlier posts: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2095/#9999

    (oh dear, comment #9999) :D



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1291373162"]We will be making a change to how we award points to wiki editing that might give some of you a solid bump in points tonight when the point script does its magic. This change is retroactive.

    Now it will be like this: "you get points for editing up to 5 wiki pages a day" (not the same page though)

    It's a change from: "you get points for editing only 1 wiki page a day"

    For thought on the "it's not perfect"-topic, please have a look at one of my earlier posts: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2095/#9999

    (oh dear, comment #9999) :D[/quote]

    Will this be effective starting from today onwards. Or the points will be updated for all the past editing also.



  • [quote author="QtK" date="1291374567"]
    Will this be effective starting from today onwards. Or the points will be updated for all the past editing also. [/quote]

    Updated for all the past editing.



  • Hi,

    I have implemented point calculation for more wiki edit now.

    Now it is possible to obtain points for 5 wiki edit per day.
    If same member edit same wiki multiple time in one day still they get point for one wiki edit only.
    If same member edit 5 different wiki article then they get point for 5 wiki edits now.

    Bonus points are also added later for each activity as mentioned in project Elf :)



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1291383247"] Updated for all the past editing.[/quote]

    Point for all previous edits are also calculated for all members now :)



  • [quote author="Gurudutt" date="1291463810"]
    [quote author="mariusg" date="1291383247"] Updated for all the past editing.[/quote]

    Point for all previous edits are also calculated for all members now :)
    [/quote]

    Thank you for the update.



  • [quote author="Gurudutt" date="1291463810"]Point for all previous edits are also calculated for all members now :)[/quote]
    That's awesome news :)



  • Thanks from me too. :)

    Is there a wiki page describing the points system? "Points & Ranks":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/ranks looks be a bit outdated now.



  • Pretty sure Points & Ranks is the only port of call. If it's outdated, it should be updated. No need for wiki.



  • If there was a wiki page instead of a built-in one, nobody had to ask for the update.



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1291550305"]If there was a wiki page instead of a built-in one, nobody had to ask for the update.[/quote]

    But then only admins should be able to update it and even the current page can be updated by admins. However, the idea of having the page inside wiki is always better.



  • The page was only slightly outdated. Should be up to date now.

    To give some insights into the thinking behind the point system, let me explain how it all came about. We obviously want to reward wiki edits with points. To reduce the chances of users gambling the system, we decided to limit the amount of "point-worthy" edits to 5 pages per day. It should make those happy who edit to improve the wiki and at the same time keep the damage under control that might potentially be done by those inserting random commas into a page just to receive the points for an edit.

    Is this more clear now?



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1291812022"]The page was only slightly outdated. Should be up to date now.[/quote] Thanks a lot :)

    [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1291812022"]Is this more clear now?[/quote]

    With a growing forum, a wiki will be more and more important for information accumulation. There knowledge can be better structured. I think tagging and rating threads systematically without a deeper look at the contents is a bigger problem. Was there vandalism observed yet in the wiki?

    I think: Nobody will edit wiki pages just for fun, because it's by far harder to do this compared with tagging and rating. To be clear: I do not understand your logic on this point :(



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1291813408"]

    I think: Nobody will edit wiki pages just for fun, because it's by far harder to do this compared with tagging and rating.
    [/quote]

    Have to agree to this point.

    And if someone adds some punctuation to an article and makes it lot easier for people to read, then he/she deserves some point. And if someone is adding unnecessary punctuations, the admins can warn them.



  • Also my understanding is that the current wiki edits points are just a temporary change and might be corrected(with better point allocation for wiki edits) once the project elf is over.



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1291813408"]
    With a growing forum, a wiki will be more and more important for information accumulation. There knowledge can be better structured. I think tagging and rating threads systematically without a deeper look at the contents is a bigger problem. Was there vandalism observed yet in the wiki?[/quote]

    No. And I don't really expect vandalism to happen on the wiki. Forums are much easier target.

    [quote]I think: Nobody will edit wiki pages just for fun, because it's by far harder to do this compared with tagging and rating. To be clear: I do not understand your logic on this point :(
    [/quote]

    Let me turn it around: Would you have the time to seriously edit more than 5 pages in one day? And if you do, would you stop after the 5th page because you won't get any points? I do see your point, we are just trying to find a sane balance.

    If it turns out that active users improve 10 pages per day in average, we will adjust. It's not like the point system is set in stone. :)



  • When I'm working in a wiki, I go after 20 to 50 edits a day. Wikipedia 2 to 5. Here, I don't know right now.
    And Re: Why should other activities are evaluated consistently high?


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