Rumor discussion: Nokia and Microsoft to team up on Windows Phone 7
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Oh no, I'm overwhelmed by this news today.
Let's hope that nokia doesn't consider to stop the work on Qt.I can't understand the decision to cooperate with MS. I mean what is wrong with Meego ?
What is the reason to turn away from it ?Nokia is not really important to me, but Qt is so amazing, what does MS have what Qt can't offer ?
This step is so wrong it hurts.
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I'm just, well, sad... I was happy to see that Nokia is about to find it's right path again, making better and better Symbian, and developint MeeGo. And now all my dreams about to break... Maybe it's a little to dramatic, but I really feel like this now. I would hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid I'm not. :(
(oh and ecosystem is just another word to bull's.hit...)
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the fact that there is no communication about Qt for Trolltech guys, For all community Developers, for Commercials developers ... at the same time that Elop announce the shift sound clearly bad ... and it's a clear means that Qt developers is NOT important for Nokia ...
I really hopes that there will be A TROLLTECH Qt futur ... and not Qt Nokia futur because I won't anymore trust in Nokia ... -
As I posted in the Qt Ambassador Group:
I am kind of disappointed by Nokia today I must say. The Announcement of a kind-of full shift to Windows Phone, without really mentioning any promising plans for Qt or MeeGo, makes me sad.
You have earned a lot of respect in the Linux- and Developerscene with your envolvment for Qt.
This is now all at stake, what is the Future of Qt with Nokia?
Qt at its own will survive for sure, as its a competitive Framework ready to hit the market.
But what Part will Nokia play?
What will happen to Projects like Qt Creator now?Also, imho, don’t expect that the devs shift now to WP7, as its a different ecosystem.
The promise that you gave last fall, that Qt is the one and only software platform is already kind of broken by now. -
I still have faith in Qt. Qt has a bright future,
Don't be so down on Qt. It's just as great today as it was yesterday.
There are still many people and companies using Qt. I was pleased to see how quickly Intel was able to announce their continued support for meego. There are many companies using Qt on the desktop, and in their devices, it is still the right choice.
Yes, I would have liked to see Qt on WinMo, but frankly, as good as that would have been for us, it would have fragmented the WinMo ecosystem.
Don't assume that no news is bad news, Yes, WinMo is going to take the limelight position, and we don't know where Qt winds up within Nokia. Nokia has been good for Qt. Give Nokia management time to work their plans.
Qt has a bright future...
If Nokia choose to continue to support Qt, its because they have interest in it moving forward, -even if they can't publicly say what that interest is.
If Nokia has no interest in Qt, it still has value and they will sell it.
If for some reason, Qt got dropped on the floor, there is still the LGPL. I know of many companies will come together to support the LGPL version.Qt has a bright future....
Peter Winston
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Oh, this hurts my heart.
I just posted this on the QML-interest thread, re-posting here, because of how serious I believe this issue to be.
With Nokia backing Windows Phone 7, and (implied) abandonment of MeeGo, ... that really puts QML into question.
IMHO, all the world is moving to "declarative property exposure" separating the business logic from the interface, and hands down Qt/QML was the BEST platform I've ever seen -- and defined the best-of-breed among today's declarative property interface development paradigms.
This Nokia abandonment hurts my heart. Nokia screwed up royally here -- I can no longer recommend that our company pursue QML commercial development seriously now. Microsoft will win big (they needed attention on WinPhone7), and they kill the strongest competitor possible (Qt/QML/MeeGo). Nokia will be screwed when they wake up one morning in the not-distant future, realizing their developers have left them, they have mediocre tools and platform, and no longer control their own operating system.
Quite seriously, the new Nokia CEO from Microsoft seems to still be working for Microsoft. This will inevitably become the developer equivalent stupidity to the "New Coke" introduction, and the "AOL/Times Warner" merger.
So sad.
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It seems that the best move is to provide content to Intel / Meego .
Qt is the best framework i ve seen and i am pretty sad to leave it away....Symbian is over, Meego a RD project at Nokia had it had been said.It s not possible to build a business plan based on this data....let s have a look on XCODE now...Thanks Intel for supporting Meego..
Good analysis here about the :
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Ummm why don't we just take Qt and start something new we don't need Meego or Symbian or even Nokia Devices.
We could create a new mobile platform.
For the Operating System you have:
1. Cross Linux From Scratch
2. OpenEmbeddedToolset:
Qt SDK and Qt Mobility libraries and Qt Creator IDE
available under LGPLLegal Representation:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/For the Hardware:
http://www.liquidware.com/
http://pandaboard.org/
http://beagleboard.org/
http://www.gumstix.com/
http://www.arduino.cc/
http://www.sparkfun.com/
http://www.magictouch.com/
And a about a million manufactures in china willing to do
custom oem work with no minimum purchase.And as far as Meego goes in my opinion they are still utilizing to much of gtk. Designing a new Desktop Environment would not he all that difficulty.
Financial Backing:
Ubuntu is ready for Qt.Operating System Developers:
OpenSuse was also just sold down the river.Customers:
Lol just about every linux user on the planet.Just an idea. I know one thing as of today I am going to start keeping my own repos. Just in case Nokia decides to axe Qt on use all-together.
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the intel and meego statement
http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/02/11/intel-and-meego
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Nokia say that Windows Phone will be the primary smartphone strategy, implying there will be others - but it's unclear what form that will take?
They say a Meego device will still be released this year - perhaps they still intend to keep Meego for tablets?
The mention of 150 million more Symbian devices carries the clear implication that it will come to an end, and will be phased out to be replaced by WP.
I think it's a shame that they won't do Symbian for the low end. A great thing about Symbian is its lower system requirements, and as phone technology advances, I wonder if lower end phones could run it (you can already get Symbian phones like the Nokia 5230 for under £70). It would compete better than Android here, and wipe the floor with similarly priced "feature phone" OSs.
Clearly Nokia aren't going to ditch their low end phones (which sell an awful lot). But it seems sad to me if they phase out Symbian, whilst keeping S40 around!
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Bad news indeed, but by no means disruptive news for Qt as a whole. Apart from having been on the track of becoming one of the big 3 dev plattforms for mobile apps and yesterday been pulled off this track, Qt is still the best generall application framework around. That will not change in the near future.
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For desktop app devs nothing really changes. I don't think Qt will be unmaintained and neglegted. Maybe some features not related to mobile apps will get more attention?
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If you have put all your hopes and business in the mobile market, then you have to jump on another framework. Mobile apps are all about "ecosystems" (I hate this word ...). That part is really the problem there, as an ecosystem needs a huge company's effort. But for you as a developer: Not a problem. If you have been smart enough to learn Qt, you can learn Java, obj-c or C# with ease. No braincell committed to Qt is wasted! C# as a language doesn't seem to be too bad ... uuups, did I just write or only think this? :-)
So, heads up! Qt might have just lost the prospect of becoming the greatest from being great. But that takes nothing away from still being great!
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It makes me feel sad and played. How could Nokia do such a thing to Qt. I'll probably to switch to Android as a primary target and use Qt for non profit pet projects.