When to use class constructor member variable initializations?

Christian Ehrlicher

@JonB said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

And there was I, thinking that. without an initializer of my own, class member variables (non-static) had no defined value....

You're correct for PODs

JonB

@Christian-Ehrlicher said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

You're correct for PODs

Argghh!! I am trying to learn! If you are retracting/qualifying your original, clear statement

Even if you don't write it in the initializer list the compiler will create it.

would you be kind enough to spell out exactly what you are saying for me?

Christian Ehrlicher

@JonB said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

would you be kind enough to spell out exactly what you are saying for me?

struct foo {
  std::string m_str;

  foo()
}

foo::foo()
{
  m_str = "blub";
}

In this case in the ctor first std::string() is called by the compiler, then in the ctor body the string is assigned. When you do

foo::foo() : m_string("blub") {}

Then the std::string is assigned only once.

JonB

@SGaist said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

Note that with recent C++ standards, you can also do member initialisation at declaration time. See here for what is allowed.

When I first (years ago, certainly before C++11) did some C++, I used to write:

class Foo
{
    int z = 0;
}

but the guy who was a C++-er said to me: don't do it there, do it explicitly in the constructor. Are you now saying we can/should do initialization in the class declaration after all? Or have I misunderstood?

JonB

@Christian-Ehrlicher said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

Then the std::string is assigned only once.

Yes, I know that. But that does not apply if it's int m_i instead? So what things do or do not get this auto-initialization? I have to look at what feature about the type of every member variable to see where I am?

Christian Ehrlicher

@JonB said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

don't do it there, do it explicitly in the constructor

This did not work before c++11

So what things do or do not get this auto-initialization?

They're undefined (You're correct for PODs)

JonB

@Christian-Ehrlicher said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

This did not work before c++11

What didn't work < C++ 11? class Foo { int z = 0; } didn't work??

They're undefined (You're correct for PODs)

So are you saying I need to go look up whale pods for C++ in order to understand what is/is not initialized for class members?

Christian Ehrlicher

@JonB said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

I need to go look up whale pods for C++

See http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/type_traits/is_pod/

What didn't work < C++ 11? class Foo { int z = 0; } didn't work??

Correct

JonB

@Christian-Ehrlicher said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

Correct

Indeed! Gosh, I did not know that, I thought it did work < C++11. Clearly my memory is not to be relied on.

I ended up reading https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_65_1/libs/utility/value_init.htm. Which goes through all this initializer stuff, and made my head hurt.

I realize that, not for the first time, I am in a minority of one not liking any of this stuff. I was getting to quite like C++ over the past months, despite my misgivings of the past. Now I'm remembering just why I found it arcane [e.g. "C++ has at least four different initialization notations, some of which overlap."].. :(

kshegunov

You know nothing Jon B. Actually, C++ was decently complicated to begin with, and is getting more complicated by the day. So the problem is trivial: when is the old stuff going to be cleaned up and the new stuff simplified? To which I suppose the answer's 'never'. How's that for a cheery perspective?

jeremy_k

@JonB said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

@Christian-Ehrlicher said in When to use class constructor member variable initializations?:

Correct

Indeed! Gosh, I did not know that, I thought it did work < C++11. Clearly my memory is not to be relied on.

It's possible that the compiler you used implemented this behavior as a non-standard extension. There were, and still are lots of cases of non-standard code having perfectly reasonable, compiler defined behavior.

JonB

@jeremy_k
In those days I --- or, to be accurate, much of the time my colleague, whose code I would have looked at --- would have been using Visual Studio/MSVC, say VS2010 plus its compiler. It's possible that might have allowed these initializations before the C++11 standard. Equally possible is that I just misremember ;-)

Kent-Dorfman

I'd suggest that a class with many instance vars (traits) often indicates a design error and less than optimal use of subclassing. IOW, trying to do too much in a single scope. This is often the result of incremental development, without a clear architecture proposal before coding....not always, but often.

It's not critical to initialize vars by the initializer list, but do initialize them in proper order. I often defer trait initialization to a private Init() method because it looks cleaner. At least in recent c++ versions you can do nested constructors.