Unsolved Qt newcomer setup is a joke.
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@Chris-Kawa said in Qt newcomer setup is a joke.:
"Bill this, MS that..." - Let's be objective about this. For whatever beef one can have with MS it's plain unfair not to acknowledge the efforts they put in the last couple of years
I agree with everything you said, but just wanted to specially acknowledge this. As much as I've been a microsoft hater since about Windows XP due to the draconian activation evilness, they really have put forth a lot of effort to get better in the last few years.
Making a lot of their software cross platform (finally) and generally acknowledging that linux exists and is only getting stronger was a very HUGE step for them. Kudos to Microsoft for that.
I don't think I'll ever go back as a full time user. I still use it for testing my software and games though. I just like posix OSes too much to ever go back to MS. I mean they could surprise me with something amazing that changes my mind, but once you've used linux or osx it's really hard to go back. That being said I don't have the same issue with MS that I used to. In fact Apple is now starting to go down the evil corporation path since Jobs died. They are being worse than MS lately. Hopefully they flip that around before it's too late. They don't have the user base to survive through stupid decisions like MS did.
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@ambershark
I know you where you are coming from. I used to use an Amiga 1200 tower for years, and I swore I would never use windows(I learnt C and AmosBasic on the Amiga). I was one of the last Amiga users to change to windows. However the Amiga started to get left behind and I had to eventually succumb to the evil empire.I do actually like windows now, but I can agree there is a lot of bloat in a lot of applications.
If for some reason I had to leave windows it would be linux and not a mac though.
Will let you know when I get around to installing QT on the PI.
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I probably should just uninstall the mess and try out 5.9 at end of next month seeing as that's how long it takes to support the compiler vs2017 at an installer level which will probably still be crap by then aswel.
However I get things compiling with qt5.8 via the qt shit installer, just had to install (stripped wouldn't want this thread to be useful to anyone else seeing all the great help, when they are also finding the qt installer a pile of shit and having similar problems because of it.) if only it was selected before ....it wasn't because obviously the shit installer thought an incompatible version of vs2017 compiler tools would work just fine.. yea sure,.. but then you still have to go setup that shit in the crapcreator options.. honestly guys thanks so fking much for helping and for spotting that in the pictures provided by a newbie, I'm sure you were well aware of that obvious thing not selected by default in the qt crap installer...if only that could have been pointed out sooner by you smart people.
And I'd do the source compiled version but navigating qt website is just awful.. oversized fonts (actually OVERSIZED FONTS EVERYWHERE (except the forum weird that) , INCLUDING IN THE QT CREATOR HELP/EXAMPLE PROJECT INFO.. IT IS FUCKING SHIT, DO YOU NEED A 4K MONITOR JUST TO SEE EVERYTHING ON THE SCREEN >> FONT SIZES DON'T NEED TO BE FUCKING HUGE UNLESS YOUR DOC TEAM JUST DO IT TO MAKE UP FOR THE LACK OF ACTUAL WRITTEN CONTENT
http://i.imgur.com/zHcpjCx.png
http://i.imgur.com/nbvi40T.pngHUGE FONTS, WHY QT? IT LOOKS CRAP, NOT PROFESSIONAL AT ALL!
so yeh piss poor layouts and stupid amount of bad design.. no thanks, just trying to find the actual download location for the source files. Let alone trying to find actual help and guides that aren't either out of date, on some other site or styled in giant oversized fonts that look totally retarded like the qt document site, or on the qt forum where help is talked about a lot by professionals without actually fking helping at all.
Not really my thing and quite frankly I don't trust it to actually have all the proper and update information, probably get half way through and find they changed some minor thing and forgot to update the setup guide info... considering they can't even be bothered to improve the installer for a decent experience for new users.
@Chris-Kawa probably the most useful reply in this thread, though I disagree that Qt couldn't make it alot easier in toolchain pre setup for building to other platforms.
"If your writing is full of profanity and aggressive statements it isn't really communicating effectively, thus it lacks rhetoric."
You don't understand what rhetoric swearing is then, if you think profanity and colorful language can detract from something said in rhetorical form being anything less than rhetoric (if it is rhetoric at all), then you should go look up the differences between the dialectic and rhetoric. And what do you mean it isn't really communicating effectively .. I think you will find it communicates very effectively alot of the time, if it gets anyone to improve an issue is a whole nuther matter and not one I particularly care about either way here, it can stay shit its obviously intended to be that way by poor design.
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@NatK
Do you work for microsoft by any chance?PS. Saying shit multiple times eventually loses it's impact.
I am not saying there are no problems with QT. I have found a few, but generally swearing is not going to solve anything.
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@Asimov said in Qt newcomer setup is a joke.:
if you can't communicate without uttering a barrage of expletives
Yep. I swear a ton IRL but it seems just silly to take the extra time to write them down in a post online. If nothing else it's just more typing and it makes the person sound stupid. Kind of like typing in all caps. Plus you're actively swearing at people who you are asking for help. Seems counterproductive.
Do you work for microsoft by any chance?
Lol, I'm pretty sure if you can't configure visual studio as a toolchain it's pretty unlikely you work for microsoft.
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@ambershark
I have sworn when I have dropped a hammer on my toe and it aptly portrays my rage, but I find swearing in a professional forum does not have the same effect, when people need to communicate their information LOLLol, I'm pretty sure if you can't configure visual studio as a toolchain it's pretty unlikely you work for microsoft.
I suspect Microsoft and Cyberdyne Systems sent him here from the future to remove QT from global domination LOL.
PS. It wouldn't happen on stack overflow ahem
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and try out 5.9 at end of next month seeing as that's how long it takes to support the compiler vs2017
You're just repeating what we already established is not true. The support for VS2017 is there and was there for a long time. There are precompiled binaries for the latest VS version available at release. In case of VS2017 that will be the Qt 5.9 release. Microsoft and Qt Company have different release cycles that don't usually sync. You can't realistically expect any of them to wait for the other with their product shipment. Qt releases about 2 major versions a year and a couple of minor versions every few months. I think that's quite a pace considering the size and scope of the library.
which will probably still be crap by then aswel.
Now that's just rude without any reason. As far as I can tell you're a new Qt user so I'm not sure what you're basing that on. With every new VS version in the past the next Qt release had provided binaries for it, available through the installer. That's also the plan now so what do you mean exactly by "still be crap"? It's not crap now. There are no binaries because there was no VS2017 released at the time. I hope I don't need to repeat that anymore.
However (...) if only that could have been pointed out sooner by you smart people
You're blaming people that out of their kindness spend their free time on a user's forum helping others that you didn't get a solution to your problem sooner. You're doing it in a sarcastic and childish way. Before you respond - please stop for a moment and think about that. How would you feel if this kind of behavior was presented towards you? Have you considered that maybe the way you behave detracted people from the actual problem you had?
And I'd do the source compiled version but navigating qt website is just awful (...) yeh piss poor layouts and stupid amount of bad design..
Please note that the usability of the website was indeed questioned a couple of times by various people. I'd consider changing your tone, because whatever useful feedback you might provide will not be heard this way. Again - try to imagine you're on the other side of this discussion - a "new guy" comes and behaves like you do. You're just pissing people off. If that's your goal you'll just cross the line eventually and get banned. All you achieve is make yourself look silly and anything useful you have to say won't get through. That's not what we want to do here.
though I disagree that Qt couldn't make it alot easier in toolchain pre setup for building to other platforms
That's fine. Could you provide some constructive feedback? And I don't mean statements like "piss poor" or "shit". I mean actual things to improve.
Btw. I mentioned it already but you might not be aware - this is user's forum. We don't make design decisions here. If you want to provide feedback or have improvements ideas you can contact the devs on the mailing list. I'll warn you though, so you don't make the same mistake second time - this way of talking will get you absolutely nowhere in Qt community and will most likely just be ignored. Try to operate on less emotional and more technical level.You don't understand what rhetoric swearing is then (...)
You need to understand that you're not among close friends that know you or everyday colleagues here. You've entered a worldwide community with established rules and types of behavior. Usually when you do that you're expected to at least respect and adhere to their conduct. Anything else is just disrespectful and bad manners. You're more than welcome to have an opinion. As evidenced in this thread users here do have different backgrounds and wildly different views on stuff, but please let your points across without offending people just because you can. We don't really censor stuff here (apart from spammers and obvious trolls) but we do have rules that we want you to follow. One of them is being respectful. This has worked for this forum for years and you're in no position to impose your bad manners on others.
if it gets anyone to improve an issue is a whole nuther matter and not one I particularly care about either way here it can stay shit its obviously intended to be that way by poor design.
If you don't care please just leave. There's nothing to be gained from venting off like you do. Philosophical debates about effectiveness of swearing in technical discussions in not really the topic of this forum (unless you want to start a new topic in the Lounge section).
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I hope necro-posting is not against the rules.
I hate Qt; my reasons are childish and entirely one sided:
- I do not use it and don't foresee any need to use it in the future either.
- My only interaction with it is having to build it as a dependency for some other library that I may use or in turn be a dependency for something else.
- It's so damn big and takes so long to build.
So, I was bored and googled "why is Qt SO fucking big?", which resulted in landing here. I have absolutely nothing to add to this conversation, just wanted to say I had a very amusing time reading how everybody dragged OP through the mud and honestly, I'm impressed nobody lost their composure (well, save OP but I doubt he had any to begin with)
P.S. I registered here just to post this; sorry!
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@Litenstein
You are entitled to express your opinion, just using reasonable language :) I hope you might see this reply if you come back, though probably not!All I wanted to comment on is your
I do not use it and don't foresee any need to use it in the future either.
It has to be said that anyone who has no present or future need for a piece of software is likely not to have a favorable opinion of it! ;-)
For my own part, I use Linux and stick to the pre-built released with the OS version. This means I have never had to build Qt, and so my experience/usage has never been tarnished by having build or setup problems. I heartily recommend this approach if it is usable for anyone.
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@Litenstein said:
I do not use it and don't foresee any need to use it in the future either.
I envy the time you have to comment on software you don't use. Good for you!
My only interaction with it is having to build it as a dependency for some other library that I may use or in turn be a dependency for something else.
Well then that's like judging a car by having to import it from overseas, pay the customs, do a checkup and fill the paperwork. That's not the fun part of having a car. To most people at least.
It's so damn big
That's what she said :P
Anyways, I'm glad you found this topic amusing. Hope you find it in your heart to take Qt for another spin at some point.
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with "qt" you start to suffer from second one from moment you decide to look at this, after six years nothing changed, god sakes!! 2 hours to import repository from git, 15 minutes to find community version - great, :) after half of day i finally realize is total caw shit and uninstall this shit, with pain - god Damm how is that possible!!!you cannot even remove it is like a cancer...........
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@qbullshitq I had different experience from yours:
with "qt" I started to love it from second one when I decided to look at this.Why did you want to clone Qt from a repository? You can install it simply from an installer. Do some research on it before you touch something. Or post your problems in the forum and people here will help you out. Your life will be much easier.