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  • Christian EhrlicherC Offline
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    Christian Ehrlicher
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    #9

    @JonB said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

    it should produce the same error.

    In theory it's a temporary so it should compile. In practice the compiler prevents you from shooting into your foot - at least when the left hand side is a POD. As soon as it's a class the compiler will not complain - blame the compiler :)

    struct blub
    {
        int a = 0;
        int b = 0;
        blub(int _a, int _b) : a(_a), b(_b) {}
        blub() = default;
    };
    struct foo
    {
        std::string stdStr;
        QString str;
        QPointF p;
        blub myBlub;
        int myInt = -1;
        bool myBool = false;
    };
    
    QVector<foo> fooVec;
    
    void doSomething()
    {
        int i = 5;
        fooVec.value(i).stdStr = "str";
        fooVec.value(i).str = "str";
        fooVec.value(i).p = QPointF(1,2);
        fooVec.value(i).myBlub = blub(1,2);
        fooVec.value(i).myInt = 2;  // gives compiler error
        fooVec.value(i).myBool = true;  // dito
    }
    

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      @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

      it's because the const

      QVector::value() does not return a const object!

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      • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

        @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

        it's because the const

        QVector::value() does not return a const object!

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        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        @Christian-Ehrlicher Hmmm, but the docs says that API is const:

        T QVector::value(int i) const
        
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        • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

          @JonB said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

          it should produce the same error.

          In theory it's a temporary so it should compile. In practice the compiler prevents you from shooting into your foot - at least when the left hand side is a POD. As soon as it's a class the compiler will not complain - blame the compiler :)

          struct blub
          {
              int a = 0;
              int b = 0;
              blub(int _a, int _b) : a(_a), b(_b) {}
              blub() = default;
          };
          struct foo
          {
              std::string stdStr;
              QString str;
              QPointF p;
              blub myBlub;
              int myInt = -1;
              bool myBool = false;
          };
          
          QVector<foo> fooVec;
          
          void doSomething()
          {
              int i = 5;
              fooVec.value(i).stdStr = "str";
              fooVec.value(i).str = "str";
              fooVec.value(i).p = QPointF(1,2);
              fooVec.value(i).myBlub = blub(1,2);
              fooVec.value(i).myInt = 2;  // gives compiler error
              fooVec.value(i).myBool = true;  // dito
          }
          
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          wrote on last edited by kshegunov
          #12

          @Christian-Ehrlicher said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

          As soon as it's a class the compiler will not complain - blame the compiler

          But don't rush to. The compiler has to generate the assignment for the trivial bool, hence it can see that the written is nonsense. On the other hand QString has both assignment operators defined already, so the compiler has to be really, really, really clever to understand that the written assignment is not what was intended. (for example the compiler has to verify that the destructor of mentioned temporary produces no side effects, which isn't trivial to begin with, to be able to then to infer that the assignment is wrong)

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          • hskoglundH hskoglund

            @Christian-Ehrlicher Hmmm, but the docs says that API is const:

            T QVector::value(int i) const
            
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            #13

            @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

            but the docs says that API is const

            The point, Henry, is not that the method is non-mutating, which is without a doubt correct, but that it returns a copy of the element, which copy is then modified.

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            • kshegunovK kshegunov

              @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

              but the docs says that API is const

              The point, Henry, is not that the method is non-mutating, which is without a doubt correct, but that it returns a copy of the element, which copy is then modified.

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              #14

              @kshegunov Aha, you're right! If the method had a const at the beginning things would be different :-)

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              • kshegunovK kshegunov

                @Christian-Ehrlicher said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                As soon as it's a class the compiler will not complain - blame the compiler

                But don't rush to. The compiler has to generate the assignment for the trivial bool, hence it can see that the written is nonsense. On the other hand QString has both assignment operators defined already, so the compiler has to be really, really, really clever to understand that the written assignment is not what was intended. (for example the compiler has to verify that the destructor of mentioned temporary produces no side effects, which isn't trivial to begin with, to be able to then to infer that the assignment is wrong)

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                @kshegunov I thought this too, but even when the compiler generates all the operators (see my struct blub) it will not complain. So I think they simply did not implement it for classes.

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                • Christian EhrlicherC Christian Ehrlicher

                  @kshegunov I thought this too, but even when the compiler generates all the operators (see my struct blub) it will not complain. So I think they simply did not implement it for classes.

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                  @Christian-Ehrlicher said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                  @kshegunov I thought this too, but even when the compiler generates all the operators (see my struct blub) it will not complain. So I think they simply did not implement it for classes.

                  Yes probably, and probably because it's nontrivial in the general case. While at the same time for an intrinsic type it's plain and simple to deduce.

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                  • hskoglundH hskoglund

                    @kshegunov Aha, you're right! If the method had a const at the beginning things would be different :-)

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                    #17

                    @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                    had a const at the beginning

                    But then the copy elision would not work afair.

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                      #18

                      Thinking about this, if the intent is to modify the elements of the QVector, then using value() is a bad idea since you're working with a copy (even though it happens to work for QStrings in that struct).

                      But if the API was changed to have another const at the beginning, say:

                      const T QVector::value(int i) const
                      

                      I'm too lazy to test it, but wouldn't that leading const cause compilation errors also for QStrings assignments? If so that would help dispel confusion about the usage of value().

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                      • hskoglundH hskoglund

                        Thinking about this, if the intent is to modify the elements of the QVector, then using value() is a bad idea since you're working with a copy (even though it happens to work for QStrings in that struct).

                        But if the API was changed to have another const at the beginning, say:

                        const T QVector::value(int i) const
                        

                        I'm too lazy to test it, but wouldn't that leading const cause compilation errors also for QStrings assignments? If so that would help dispel confusion about the usage of value().

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                        @hskoglund said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                        I'm too lazy to test it, but wouldn't that leading const cause compilation errors also for QStrings assignments?

                        It would. I'm not sure if the compiler can RVO it correctly if you assign to a non-const however ... that needs actual looking at the asm output.

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                          From my pov QVector::value() should be deprecated - it's a really weird function which returns a copy just for the reason that the caller does not do the bounds checking.
                          I don't see a difference in the asm output in a single testcase.

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                            Thank you for the explanation - indeed, I saw in docs that value() is const but since it worked for the QString I just... assumed it works anyway. Silly of me.

                            So, to make it work as intended I should use [index] notation, like @hskoglund said (I am somehow opposed to using it in the favour of methods).

                            Since I already got everyones involved attention - the QVector (in this case) is supposed to hold less than 20 of items, set once and not being manipulated further. Is the choice of QVector over other container types a valid one? I read about container classes and differences between them and after that I rather tend to avoid QList.

                            For more information please re-read.

                            Kind Regards,
                            Artur

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                            • artwawA artwaw

                              Thank you for the explanation - indeed, I saw in docs that value() is const but since it worked for the QString I just... assumed it works anyway. Silly of me.

                              So, to make it work as intended I should use [index] notation, like @hskoglund said (I am somehow opposed to using it in the favour of methods).

                              Since I already got everyones involved attention - the QVector (in this case) is supposed to hold less than 20 of items, set once and not being manipulated further. Is the choice of QVector over other container types a valid one? I read about container classes and differences between them and after that I rather tend to avoid QList.

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                              @artwaw said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                              after that I rather tend to avoid QList.

                              👍 very good.

                              If you want to stay in Qt - World, than there are not many other options available.
                              A simple c/c++ array could be enough for your case?


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                              • J.HilkJ J.Hilk

                                @artwaw said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                                after that I rather tend to avoid QList.

                                👍 very good.

                                If you want to stay in Qt - World, than there are not many other options available.
                                A simple c/c++ array could be enough for your case?

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                                @J-Hilk Might be enough, of course. QVector seemed... just convenient.

                                For more information please re-read.

                                Kind Regards,
                                Artur

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                                  Thank you all, I learned a lot from my mistake. Will pay more attention to docs and implications next time.

                                  For more information please re-read.

                                  Kind Regards,
                                  Artur

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                                    #25

                                    Now that the OP appears to be happy he is solved, I'd like to say that I am not! :) And would ask for further explanation.

                                    I wrote earlier:

                                    @artwaw said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:
                                    If const is the cause of the error (and I don't doubt it is) for

                                    current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).permanent=(state>0);`
                                    

                                    why is there no error for

                                    current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).pattern=ui->sectionEdit->text();
                                    

                                    ? That was the OP's query. That's what I don't see, it should produce the same error.

                                    @hskoglund replied

                                    I suspect it's because the const is only 1 layer deep, i.e. it protects integers and booleans in that struct from being reassigned, but since QStrings are pointers, that const only protects reassignment of the pointer, not what the pointer points to, i.e. QStrings data().

                                    I know the const "is only one level deep". And I don't understand how he comes up with that "the pointer value will be retained but what it points to will be changed".

                                    And @Christian-Ehrlicher wrote

                                    In theory it's a temporary so it should compile.

                                    I don't understand either of these. The OP's struct has

                                      QString pattern;
                                      bool permanent;
                                    

                                    I have yet to understand why the bool can be altered but not the QString. (Yes, I know QStrings are stored shared, so what?) They are both members of the struct. If current.fields.value() returns a const then neither of them should be alterable, and if it does not both should be alterable.

                                    Would somebody care to enlighten me on what exactly is the difference?

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                                    • JonBJ JonB

                                      Now that the OP appears to be happy he is solved, I'd like to say that I am not! :) And would ask for further explanation.

                                      I wrote earlier:

                                      @artwaw said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:
                                      If const is the cause of the error (and I don't doubt it is) for

                                      current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).permanent=(state>0);`
                                      

                                      why is there no error for

                                      current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).pattern=ui->sectionEdit->text();
                                      

                                      ? That was the OP's query. That's what I don't see, it should produce the same error.

                                      @hskoglund replied

                                      I suspect it's because the const is only 1 layer deep, i.e. it protects integers and booleans in that struct from being reassigned, but since QStrings are pointers, that const only protects reassignment of the pointer, not what the pointer points to, i.e. QStrings data().

                                      I know the const "is only one level deep". And I don't understand how he comes up with that "the pointer value will be retained but what it points to will be changed".

                                      And @Christian-Ehrlicher wrote

                                      In theory it's a temporary so it should compile.

                                      I don't understand either of these. The OP's struct has

                                        QString pattern;
                                        bool permanent;
                                      

                                      I have yet to understand why the bool can be altered but not the QString. (Yes, I know QStrings are stored shared, so what?) They are both members of the struct. If current.fields.value() returns a const then neither of them should be alterable, and if it does not both should be alterable.

                                      Would somebody care to enlighten me on what exactly is the difference?

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                                      I'd be happy to read further on the details too, if our more experienced colleagues don't mind?

                                      For more information please re-read.

                                      Kind Regards,
                                      Artur

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                                      • JonBJ JonB

                                        Now that the OP appears to be happy he is solved, I'd like to say that I am not! :) And would ask for further explanation.

                                        I wrote earlier:

                                        @artwaw said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:
                                        If const is the cause of the error (and I don't doubt it is) for

                                        current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).permanent=(state>0);`
                                        

                                        why is there no error for

                                        current.fields.value(ui->editSectionNum->currentIndex()).pattern=ui->sectionEdit->text();
                                        

                                        ? That was the OP's query. That's what I don't see, it should produce the same error.

                                        @hskoglund replied

                                        I suspect it's because the const is only 1 layer deep, i.e. it protects integers and booleans in that struct from being reassigned, but since QStrings are pointers, that const only protects reassignment of the pointer, not what the pointer points to, i.e. QStrings data().

                                        I know the const "is only one level deep". And I don't understand how he comes up with that "the pointer value will be retained but what it points to will be changed".

                                        And @Christian-Ehrlicher wrote

                                        In theory it's a temporary so it should compile.

                                        I don't understand either of these. The OP's struct has

                                          QString pattern;
                                          bool permanent;
                                        

                                        I have yet to understand why the bool can be altered but not the QString. (Yes, I know QStrings are stored shared, so what?) They are both members of the struct. If current.fields.value() returns a const then neither of them should be alterable, and if it does not both should be alterable.

                                        Would somebody care to enlighten me on what exactly is the difference?

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                                        @JonB said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                                        If current.fields.value() returns a const then neither of them should be alterable, and if it does not both should be alterable.

                                        Look carefully at what I wrote to Henry. The struct's instance returned by QVector::value is not const. It's a temporary (probably the compiler does it as an rvalue), so it's valid to write its members. However the compiler deduces that assigning to the boolean of said temporary is meaningless, thus as @Christian-Ehrlicher eloquently put it - it prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot. When it comes to classes and structs it's more complicated, which we discussed briefly with Christian upstairs.

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                                        • kshegunovK kshegunov

                                          @JonB said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                                          If current.fields.value() returns a const then neither of them should be alterable, and if it does not both should be alterable.

                                          Look carefully at what I wrote to Henry. The struct's instance returned by QVector::value is not const. It's a temporary (probably the compiler does it as an rvalue), so it's valid to write its members. However the compiler deduces that assigning to the boolean of said temporary is meaningless, thus as @Christian-Ehrlicher eloquently put it - it prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot. When it comes to classes and structs it's more complicated, which we discussed briefly with Christian upstairs.

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                                          #28

                                          @kshegunov said in Trouble assigning value to boolean in the struct:

                                          instance returned by QVector::value is not const. It's a temporary

                                          Good, got that (was always dubious about whether it was const anyway).

                                          However the compiler deduces that assigning to the boolean of said temporary is meaningless

                                          Ah ha!! Got it! Sooooooooo... what you are saying is: on the one hand we now have a compiler which gets involved in the meaning of life/teleological purpose, yet on the other hand chooses to blurt out "Expression not assignable" as the diagnostic message when it's non-such. "Meaningless assignment", "Assignment with no side-effect" would have been much better, "non-assignable" means e.g. it's const to me, hence my confusion (and perhaps that of @artwaw).

                                          What happened to the days when I wrote code and the compiler knew its place, minded its business and just shut up and compiled?

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