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  • N neda
    29 May 2018, 08:13

    Thanks for your reply.

    @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

    What communications protocol do you want to use? There are many different ways to send/receive data over Ethernet. For example:

    No, none.

    @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

    What kind of data?

    I want to send some bytes from device to computer.
    Computer and device connected with a network cable.
    I do not use any communications protocol.

    I have just "Mac Address" of my device.
    My device use "IEEE 802.3" standard.

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    JKSH
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    wrote on 29 May 2018, 08:56 last edited by
    #9

    @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

    I do not use any communications protocol.

    "Communications protocol" means "A way to transfer data or messages between devices".

    If you don't want to use a standard communications protocol, then you must create your own custom communications protocol.

    I have just "Mac Address" of my device.

    A MAC address is not enough. You must find the IP address.

    You must also make sure that both devices are on the same subnet (this means both devices must have similar IP addresses).

    My device use "IEEE 11027" standard.

    Can you provide a link to "IEEE 11027"?

    @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

    Should I use the "QTcpSocket" class? or another class?

    You can use QTcpSocket if you know the device's IP address.

    Qt Doc Search for browsers: forum.qt.io/topic/35616/web-browser-extension-for-improved-doc-searches

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    • A aha_1980
      29 May 2018, 08:52

      @neda

      ... that depends a bit on what you want to achive. Which kind of data do you want to exchange?

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      neda
      wrote on 29 May 2018, 09:17 last edited by
      #10

      @aha_1980 said in Qt Ethernet communication:

      Which kind of data do you want to exchange?

      120 Bytes in per send.

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      • J JKSH
        29 May 2018, 08:56

        @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

        I do not use any communications protocol.

        "Communications protocol" means "A way to transfer data or messages between devices".

        If you don't want to use a standard communications protocol, then you must create your own custom communications protocol.

        I have just "Mac Address" of my device.

        A MAC address is not enough. You must find the IP address.

        You must also make sure that both devices are on the same subnet (this means both devices must have similar IP addresses).

        My device use "IEEE 11027" standard.

        Can you provide a link to "IEEE 11027"?

        @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

        Should I use the "QTcpSocket" class? or another class?

        You can use QTcpSocket if you know the device's IP address.

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        neda
        wrote on 29 May 2018, 09:32 last edited by neda
        #11

        @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

        this means both devices must have similar IP addresses

        Exactly
        I do not want to go into the issues related to IP.
        That's why I want to use "MAC address".

        @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

        Can you provide a link to "IEEE 11027"?

        Sorry, it was a typo.
        "IEEE 802.3"
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame

        @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

        You must find the IP address.

        No problem. I can find it.

        foreach(QNetworkInterface interface, QNetworkInterface::allInterfaces())
            {
                if (interface.flags().testFlag(QNetworkInterface::IsUp) && !interface.flags().testFlag(QNetworkInterface::IsLoopBack))
                    foreach (QNetworkAddressEntry entry, interface.addressEntries())
                    {                
                            if(interface.hardwareAddress() == "61:5F:60:78:69:03"){
                            qDebug()<<interface.hardwareAddress();
                            qDebug()<<interface.name();
                            qDebug()<<entry.ip();
        
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        • N neda
          29 May 2018, 09:32

          @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          this means both devices must have similar IP addresses

          Exactly
          I do not want to go into the issues related to IP.
          That's why I want to use "MAC address".

          @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          Can you provide a link to "IEEE 11027"?

          Sorry, it was a typo.
          "IEEE 802.3"
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame

          @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          You must find the IP address.

          No problem. I can find it.

          foreach(QNetworkInterface interface, QNetworkInterface::allInterfaces())
              {
                  if (interface.flags().testFlag(QNetworkInterface::IsUp) && !interface.flags().testFlag(QNetworkInterface::IsLoopBack))
                      foreach (QNetworkAddressEntry entry, interface.addressEntries())
                      {                
                              if(interface.hardwareAddress() == "61:5F:60:78:69:03"){
                              qDebug()<<interface.hardwareAddress();
                              qDebug()<<interface.name();
                              qDebug()<<entry.ip();
          
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          wrote on 29 May 2018, 13:35 last edited by
          #12

          @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          I do not want to go into the issues related to IP.
          That's why I want to use "MAC address".

          See http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BU-xe38B1qc/Ufavge5wj7I/AAAAAAAAAzg/jNuL7k2bY_0/s1600/OSI-TCP-Model-v1.png. These are the 7 layers of the Open System Interconnection model:

          1. Physical
          2. Data Link (Ethernet, MAC addresses)
          3. Network (Internet Protocol, IP addresses)
          4. Transport (TCP)
          5. Session
          6. Presentation
          7. Application

          You said you want to use only Ethernet and MAC addresses (Layer 2).

          If you don't want to use IP address (Layer 3), that means you cannot use TCP (Layer 4). TCP requires IP to work.

          That also means you must implement your own Network layer to replace IP. If your devices run Linux, you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

          @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

          You must find the IP address.

          No problem. I can find it.

          foreach(QNetworkInterface interface, QNetworkInterface::allInterfaces())
          

          This code only finds the network adaptors (and IP addresses) on the device that runs this code. It does not find other devices for you to send/receive data.

          Qt Doc Search for browsers: forum.qt.io/topic/35616/web-browser-extension-for-improved-doc-searches

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          • N neda
            29 May 2018, 08:48

            @aha_1980 said in Qt Ethernet communication:

            As said, you need to listen on a port to be able to connect to this machine.

            Thanks
            Should I use the "QTcpSocket" class? or another class?

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            wrosecrans
            wrote on 29 May 2018, 20:07 last edited by
            #13

            @neda

            You won't be able to use QTcpSocket if you don't want to use a TCP connection. If you want to implement your own low level protocol on raw ethernet that doesn't use TCP/IP, there probably isn't much in Qt that you can use. Depending on the platform, you may need to write some low level driver code to do that. It's not even guaranteed to be possible entirely in user space.

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            • J JKSH
              29 May 2018, 13:35

              @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

              I do not want to go into the issues related to IP.
              That's why I want to use "MAC address".

              See http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BU-xe38B1qc/Ufavge5wj7I/AAAAAAAAAzg/jNuL7k2bY_0/s1600/OSI-TCP-Model-v1.png. These are the 7 layers of the Open System Interconnection model:

              1. Physical
              2. Data Link (Ethernet, MAC addresses)
              3. Network (Internet Protocol, IP addresses)
              4. Transport (TCP)
              5. Session
              6. Presentation
              7. Application

              You said you want to use only Ethernet and MAC addresses (Layer 2).

              If you don't want to use IP address (Layer 3), that means you cannot use TCP (Layer 4). TCP requires IP to work.

              That also means you must implement your own Network layer to replace IP. If your devices run Linux, you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

              @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

              @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

              You must find the IP address.

              No problem. I can find it.

              foreach(QNetworkInterface interface, QNetworkInterface::allInterfaces())
              

              This code only finds the network adaptors (and IP addresses) on the device that runs this code. It does not find other devices for you to send/receive data.

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              neda
              wrote on 3 Jun 2018, 08:25 last edited by neda 6 Mar 2018, 08:26
              #14

              @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

              If your devices run Linux

              Windows 10

              @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

              you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

              yes, please help me.

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              • N neda
                3 Jun 2018, 08:25

                @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                If your devices run Linux

                Windows 10

                @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

                yes, please help me.

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                aha_1980
                Lifetime Qt Champion
                wrote on 3 Jun 2018, 09:45 last edited by
                #15

                @neda,

                as already said, Qt and we may not be much help in this case. but i have a small cookbook:

                1. get a book with the full Ethernet specification and make sure you completely understand layer 1 (MAC) and 2 (IP)
                2. implement your wish with operating system specific code by using OS (driver) API

                Qt has to stay free or it will die.

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                  mrjj
                  Lifetime Qt Champion
                  wrote on 3 Jun 2018, 09:53 last edited by
                  #16

                  Hi
                  Why on earth dont you just use normal TCP with ip ?

                  Writing a custom network driver is extremely complex and
                  you will need heaps of knowledge about network stacks.
                  It seems silly to send some bytes.

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                    kuzulis
                    Qt Champions 2020
                    wrote on 3 Jun 2018, 13:16 last edited by
                    #17

                    You can look on: https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5292/Raw-Ethernet-Packet-Sending or try to use a libpcap (seems it should work) and then wrap your C++ code to use in Qt. A more info you can get from the internet, don't be lazy...

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                    • N neda
                      3 Jun 2018, 08:25

                      @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                      If your devices run Linux

                      Windows 10

                      @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                      you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

                      yes, please help me.

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                      JKSH
                      Moderators
                      wrote on 6 Jun 2018, 03:12 last edited by
                      #18

                      @neda said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                      @JKSH said in Qt Ethernet communication:

                      you must write kernel drivers. This is a lot of work; do you want to continue?

                      yes, please help me.

                      This is asking for a lot of help. If you don't want to use TCP/IP, then you need many months to develop a replacement. You must do most of the work yourself, you can't ask us to do it for you.

                      Please read the latest posts by @aha_1980, @mrjj, and @kuzulis and think through them carefully.

                      Qt Doc Search for browsers: forum.qt.io/topic/35616/web-browser-extension-for-improved-doc-searches

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                      • N neda
                        29 May 2018, 04:33

                        I connect my computer to a wired (Ethernet) network.
                        I have "mac address".
                        I want to connect to this network with "mac address" and send and receive data.

                        I used "QTcpSocket" class and "connectToHost" function. But I haven't port number.

                        Please guide me.

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                        Hugh P
                        wrote on 13 Feb 2019, 20:58 last edited by
                        #19

                        @neda I have used libtins (and libpcap) for just this - to communicate with FPGAs that have a certain MAC address. It has worked well for me. https://github.com/mfontanini/libtins - I know the topic is old, but it is not an insane amount of work as others have indicated. You can send packets and filter for the desired MAC address.

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                        • H Hugh P
                          13 Feb 2019, 20:58

                          @neda I have used libtins (and libpcap) for just this - to communicate with FPGAs that have a certain MAC address. It has worked well for me. https://github.com/mfontanini/libtins - I know the topic is old, but it is not an insane amount of work as others have indicated. You can send packets and filter for the desired MAC address.

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                          Hedayat
                          wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 07:47 last edited by
                          #20

                          @Hugh-P
                          Finally, I could find a good reply! :)) I want to send a layer 2 Frame (not a layer3 packet or upper layers of OSI message) from an android device to my electronic board. Do you have any suggestion?

                          Thanks a lot!

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                          • H Hedayat
                            8 Nov 2023, 07:47

                            @Hugh-P
                            Finally, I could find a good reply! :)) I want to send a layer 2 Frame (not a layer3 packet or upper layers of OSI message) from an android device to my electronic board. Do you have any suggestion?

                            Thanks a lot!

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                            ChrisW67
                            wrote on 8 Nov 2023, 08:13 last edited by
                            #21

                            Read the "good reply" by Hugh-P, or adapt from the earlier reply by kuzulis

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