Why continue with Qt
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[quote author="Gerolf" date="1319545326"]Qt is not only mobile phones. It'S desktop, embedded and phones.
There are even apps that run on android officially.[/quote]I know that. I was thinking about the mobile space. But I believe that Nokia should have communicated to developers in a much better way regarding next billion and Qt's future on phones. May be Nokia world provide some information regarding this. Showing Symbian and N9 as the targets for Qt is pointless since Nokia don't support them.
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As for mobiles, it is very likely that Qt will be present in Tizen, endorsed by Intel & Samsung. That could be a big player in a year or two. Nokia's Harmattan/Symbian devices will be around for a few years more. The excellent Qt Android port seems to work very nicely, adding a whopping amount of devices in the Qt's target sector. And I am hopeful that there will be a Qt port for the Windows Phone, although this remains to be seen. And there even has been talk about a S40 Qt port. In other words, no reason to give up Qt in the mobile world.
As for the desktop world - well, you can build software quickly for both Linux and Windows and even that quirky Mac with Qt which in my opinion is the best framework for native crossplatform development there is. By a large margin.
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[quote author="matti-" date="1319703967"]And I am hopeful that there will be a Qt port for the Windows Phone, although this remains to be seen. And there even has been talk about a S40 Qt port. In other words, no reason to give up Qt in the mobile world.
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Obviously the WinPho SDK will be available at some point. Even though Nokia made an agreement with MS that they wouldn't be actively porting Qt to WinPho7, who is stopping (non-Nokian) individuals from making a lighthouse plugin?If people care, it will come. That's how FOSS generally works.
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The Android port looks promising. There is a chance that Qt will be supported on RIM BBX. Anybody have more info from the Nokia world event ? The ' next billion ' still seems to be the old S40 based devices. That is what I understand from the newly announced ' ASHA ' series of devices. There doesn't seem to be any new announcement related to Qt for next billion on either Nokia world or Qt developer days. I read somewhere that Nokia is still planning to continue with Maemo. Anybody have more information regarding S40, Qt or maemo ?
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[quote author="Franzk" date="1319704790"]Even though Nokia made an agreement with MS that they wouldn't be actively porting Qt to WinPho7, who is stopping (non-Nokian) individuals from making a lighthouse plugin?[/quote]
Well, M$ could do what Apple are doing to prevent people from using free tools and block any such software from their stores / signing process meaning although in theory you could write & run a Qt program on said platform, you would not be able to distribute it. I hope they won't go that way though. I have already given up on Apple devices.
The S40 / "Next Billion" platform is rumored to be a Linux flavor called Meltemi. Some references:
http://androsym.com/symbian/nokia-to-replace-s40-with-linux-based-meltemi-to-connect-the-next-billion/
http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/21/qt’s-future-for-nokia-bringing-apps-to-the-next-billion/- Matti
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I had seen the Meltemi rumor. But still no concrete information from Nokia. Neither from Qt developer days nor from Nokia world. As I said earlier, the phones introduced for next billion at the Nokia world are S40 6th edition devices. True that unless there is official support from the OS developers (like MS), distribution on respective stores may not be possible. Hope Google won't block necessitas apps once it matures and lot of people start using it. We really needs a Qt mobile platform that Nokia supports. Currently ' Next billion ' = uncertainty.
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Yes, it was. But that does not mean that it will be able to run apps (what would be the difference with the smartphone market then?), let alone if such a market segment would even be an interesting market for app developers. At the devdays keynote, there was mainly a lot of cheer for the N9 and the new symbians, but no mention of how EOL these platforms are with the current* Nokia roadmap. I'm certainly going to play around with my shiney new N9 and try to build some stuff for it, but I would not invest in it from a business point of view. Then again, I am not a business man, so I might just be overlooking the opportunities.
[*] In so far as that is publicly available, of course.
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[quote author="Lukas Geyer" date="1319715834"]Although no operating system was mentioned it was clearliy mentioned that the next billion will be Qt, wasn't it? And as a Qt developer I usually don't care about the underlying operating system.[/quote]
If I remember right, Qt as core of next billion was announced at Nokia Connection event in June 2011. After that simply no news about it, isn't it ? On the forum nokia home page, under the Qt sdk, two targets are listed, N9 - The beautiful phone which Nokia refuses to sell, Symbian - Killed by Nokia early this year. No next billion. If they have a solid plan for Qt and next billion, is it so difficult to share it with developers ?
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[quote author="Lukas Geyer" date="1319719605"]Wasn't it stated on the DevDays a few days ago?[/quote]
On google search I got the following link from maemo.org
"http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79051":http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79051
Scroll down a bit, in red block letters, the text say something big regarding this is coming.
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Well, I'm using QT as thin layer only, the core still std, boost, and other stuffs that supposed to be platform free.
Native app is certainly not going to be faded away in very near future, especially if you targetting not just that locked platform.
I wish WP7 had native SDK, that would be cool!
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[quote author="ardhitama" date="1319737189"]I wish WP7 had native SDK, that would be cool![/quote]
Actually WP7 has a native SDK and supports native code execution but most of us aren't allowed to publish native applications through the WP7 app store. For instance Adobe got permission to publish Flash as a native application.
Qt might run out of the box on rooted WP7 devices as it is just Windows CE after all - which is supported by Qt.
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Yesterday I saw the advertisement for an Android phone that costs just around Rs 4000 in India, that will be below $100, the price of a dumb S40 Nokia phone in India. I don't think Nokia can effectively compete with Android with the current S40 phones, even with the new ASHA series. Already people here are fast moving to Android for both high end and low end phones. I feel Nokia must really use Maemo for next billion to compete against Android at the low-mid end and I guess that is just what they are going to do.
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The topic is "Why continue with Qt", so bear with me for not commenting on the "how to build better phones" suggestions.
"Why continue with Qt" was to me answered on the devdays in Munich we had this week: Because Qt is a great toolkit with a vibrant, strong and growing community! It really were the best devdays I ever participated in: Lots of interesting people commited to Qt -- inside and outside of Nokia.
Open Governance is really taking off, too. I have merged more contributions into Qt Creator since it opened last Friday than in the whole of September (and I did not even bother to check codereview during the time I was in Munich!). We trolls are not slacking of either. Just go and check "codereview.qt-project.org":https://codereview.qt-project.org/#q,status:merged,n,z and see for yourself.