Point for highly rated content



  • Points are to be had for a lot of things: adding content, tagging, rating, etc. It seems that what is missing, is receiving points based on how high a piece of content that was added by you is rated. For instance, say that you created and maintain a very interesting and highly appreciated Wiki page. That is quite a bit of work. Would it make sense to reward that high appreciation with points as well?

    On a side-note, I think that the specific awards for each action may deserve a bit of attention. It is currently quite easy to up your points by just tagging, for instance. I think that the points may need to reflect a bit better how much effort goes into a contribution. Posting a comment or a forum post generally requires a lot more effort than tagging and rating existing content.


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    Tagging is new and thus people like me, who spend some time to tag all the pages they care about, got quite a boost point-wise. I am sure this will not be a big issue now that the initial "gold-rush" is over:-)

    I do like the idea of extra points for highly rated contents, but it is probably hard to figure out how to assign them to the individual contributors to a post/wiki page. Is the guy asking a question opening a thread awarded with all the points or the person who answered it? What about "I got the same issue"-postings? And how are you going to distinguish the two in the first place?

    Andre, you seem to know a bit about text analysis, maybe you got an idea here?



  • What you currently see on the site is a system that rewards users based on actions only. It's an easily scalable automated system that requires only very little manual work.

    What you are asking about is a reputation system and I agree that this is still missing. I am working on a clever badge collection that rewards users for the value of their contribution rather than for the mere action.



  • In future it will be possible to see most valuable content based on most highly rated, most point received, most tagged and many more activity on peace of content, may be it can merged to clever badge collection system to give extra point to author of content. but that will come later.



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278936795"]What you are asking about is a reputation system and I agree that this is still missing. I am working on a clever badge collection that rewards users for the value of their contribution rather than for the mere action.[/quote]

    While the current points system is well implemented, I think that a reputation system will be more useful in the long run. Rewards based on the quantity of actions provides incentive for users to do a lot of stuff, whereas rewards based on the quality of actions provides incentive for users to do a lot of stuff of value.

    They both have their uses I think. For example, the points system provides a quick way for someone to get hooked on the site (look at me, I came back this morning thinking, "gotta get more points on Qt devnet!), but in the end I think a qualitative rewards system will be more valuable to the community.

    Oh, and hi Alex. Nice to 'see' you outside Camp KDE :P



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278936795"]What you currently see on the site is a system that rewards users based on actions only. It's an easily scalable automated system that requires only very little manual work.

    What you are asking about is a reputation system and I agree that this is still missing. I am working on a clever badge collection that rewards users for the value of their contribution rather than for the mere action.[/quote]

    The clever badge collection seems to be a good idea. Will it be implemented in the Beta Stage or it will take time.



  • [quote author="Casey" date="1278942225"]

    While the current points system is well implemented, I think that a reputation system will be more useful in the long run. Rewards based on the quantity of actions provides incentive for users to do a lot of stuff, whereas rewards based on the quality of actions provides incentive for users to do a lot of stuff of value.

    [/quote]

    Precisely. Which is why we want to combine it.

    [quote]

    Oh, and hi Alex. Nice to ‘see’ you outside Camp KDE :-P

    [/quote]

    Likewise. ;)



  • [quote author="QtK" date="1278942947"]

    The clever badge collection seems to be a good idea. Will it be implemented in the Beta Stage or it will take time.
    [/quote]

    I have high hopes to get it in after summer.



  • I also wonder if there are any bugs in the point system as for some users the points shoots up very quickly.



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278943262"][quote author="QtK" date="1278942947"]

    The clever badge collection seems to be a good idea. Will it be implemented in the Beta Stage or it will take time.
    [/quote]

    I have high hopes to get it in after summer.[/quote]

    Hope you are referring to the northern hemisphere, at my place the summer season is over.



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278936795"]What you currently see on the site is a system that rewards users based on actions only. It's an easily scalable automated system that requires only very little manual work.

    What you are asking about is a reputation system and I agree that this is still missing. I am working on a clever badge collection that rewards users for the value of their contribution rather than for the mere action.[/quote]

    I am curious to see how such a thing would work. Could you elaborate on that a little? I admit that is it not easy to contribute score of a wiki page to a single contributor if there are more than one. The rating of entire forum threads is a deliberate choice (discussed before); rating by contribution would have enabled points to be awarded per user.

    [quote author="Tobias Hunger" date="1278936760"]Tagging is new and thus people like me, who spend some time to tag all the pages they care about, got quite a boost point-wise. I am sure this will not be a big issue now that the initial "gold-rush" is over:-)
    [/quote]

    I guess I missed out there then ;-)
    But even for myself, I find that my points increase much faster after the availability of tagging, while replying to forum posts takes much more effort. Perhaps (in time) the relative number of points per action should be re-evaluated.

    [quote]I do like the idea of extra points for highly rated contents, but it is probably hard to figure out how to assign them to the individual contributors to a post/wiki page. Is the guy asking a question opening a thread awarded with all the points or the person who answered it? What about "I got the same issue"-postings? And how are you going to distinguish the two in the first place?

    Andre, you seem to know a bit about text analysis, maybe you got an idea here?[/quote]
    I am sorry, I don't know all that much about text analysis. The work I do has to do with network analysis, and you can do that on texts as well as you can on other data. That is what we do anyway, with some text-mining tricks applied of course.

    I don't immediately see a way around the issues you mention. It is hard to attribute value to individuals if you only have a common result to measure. That is even the case if you process manually (such as in the case of group assignments in education), let alone doing that automatically.



  • [quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278943262"]I have high hopes to get it in after summer.[/quote]

    Woo, sounds good!



  • [quote author="QtK" date="1278943387"]I also wonder if there are any bugs in the point system as for some users the points shoots up very quickly.[/quote]

    That probably has to do with the tagging-goldrush Tobias mentioned above. Tagging was added a couple of days ago, and until that time, no piece of content was tagged. A few people wend out and tagged basically everything there was as content. That yielded them a lot of points.



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1278943775"][quote author="QtK" date="1278943387"]I also wonder if there are any bugs in the point system as for some users the points shoots up very quickly.[/quote]

    That probably has to do with the tagging-goldrush Tobias mentioned above. Tagging was added a couple of days ago, and until that time, no piece of content was tagged. A few people wend out and tagged basically everything there was as content. That yielded them a lot of points. [/quote]

    I thought some of the tags might have been automatically generated. As almost all pages had main keywords tagged.



  • @Alex, I was going to ask this in a separate thread but I think its relevant here.

    Upvoting of people's posts and replies will come with the reputation system I assume?



  • [quote author="QtK" date="1278943609"]

    Hope you are referring to the northern hemisphere, at my place the summer season is over.[/quote]

    Ehhhh, yes. Sorry for my egocentric view. ;)



  • [quote author="Andre" date="1278943665"][quote author="Alexandra Leisse" date="1278936795"]What you currently see on the site is a system that rewards users based on actions only. It's an easily scalable automated system that requires only very little manual work.

    What you are asking about is a reputation system and I agree that this is still missing. I am working on a clever badge collection that rewards users for the value of their contribution rather than for the mere action.[/quote]

    I am curious to see how such a thing would work. Could you elaborate on that a little? I admit that is it not easy to contribute score of a wiki page to a single contributor if there are more than one. The rating of entire forum threads is a deliberate choice (discussed before); rating by contribution would have enabled points to be awarded per user. [/quote]

    There are various options we are considering right now. Decided is that there will be badges for special contributions - highly rated wiki page could be one badge, DevDays2010 another. The details are still pretty much in the air, so please don't take this literally.

    Another option is points or badges rewarded by other users e.g. for helpful forum answers or useful tutorials. Something I still need to think about.

    [quote author="Andre" date="1278943665"][quote author="Tobias Hunger" date="1278936760"]Tagging is new and thus people like me, who spend some time to tag all the pages they care about, got quite a boost point-wise. I am sure this will not be a big issue now that the initial "gold-rush" is over:-)
    [/quote]

    I guess I missed out there then ;-)
    But even for myself, I find that my points increase much faster after the availability of tagging, while replying to forum posts takes much more effort. Perhaps (in time) the relative number of points per action should be re-evaluated. [/quote]

    All of this is under constant review. We came up with one system to start with, I have my doubts that it will still be the same by the end of the year...

    [quote author="Andre" date="1278943665"]
    I don't immediately see a way around the issues you mention. It is hard to attribute value to individuals if you only have a common result to measure. That is even the case if you process manually (such as in the case of group assignments in education), let alone doing that automatically.
    [/quote]

    I agree. A reputation system will involve manual labour to make it work properly. Otherwise it's worthless.

    And hey, I got all the quote brackets right in the first attempt! \o/



  • [quote author="Casey" date="1278944349"]@Alex, I was going to ask this in a separate thread but I think its relevant here.

    Upvoting of people's posts and replies will come with the reputation system I assume?[/quote]

    That's another issue but it will come in some way or another.



  • Looks like points for tags are now disabled. Is it a bug in points system or is it a planned change?



  • That would be a bug, we had a deployment yesterday that I suspect would be the cause. I'll verify tomorrow if it's a display bug or something deeper.

    We're preparing for a much better "search-by-tag" and a new feature that is "search-for-tag".



  • Looks like something deeper, because points for comments are adding.



  • [quote author="Denis Kormalev" date="1280356685"]Looks like something deeper, because points for comments are adding.[/quote]

    Points for tags are working as expected again now, thanks for reporting it.


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