Russian translations of Getting Started Programming with Qt
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Полностью согласен с тем что сказал cool-dude. Даже если сравнить названия статей, то можно отметить что "getting started" переводится как "начало работы", но никак не "основы". На мой взгляд GettingStartedWithQtRussian больше похож на изложение, чем на перевод.
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cool-dude, did you heard about synonyms and adaptive translations? Source article (or call it guide, whatever) is not adapted, it is pure English, so it should be adapted for better understanding by non-English speakers.
About english terms in translation. They are neccessary. Dr.Krauze said why previously.
Also about some terms you've mentioned. Such terms as “прикрепляемые виджеты” and “переключатели” were borrowed from another translation (if you will look you will find them there) as things I've decided were better translated than in my translation.
I don't sure at all that we should translate names of articles in additional info. They are not-translated and it can be confusing for reader to click on russian link and go to english page. But, of course we are community and if you think they should be translated you can translate them (or simply borrow them from another translation to reduce time).
Why do you think that translation of example app is not a good idea? As for me it is ok. Of course it will be better to translate screenshots also, but I don't have hosting that will provide forever live for them (mine is limited by bandwidth).
Alexander A., please try to minimize russian language here (ideally only for translation parts discussion). This thread can be read by non-russian speakers also and I don't think it will be ok for them. Just imagine that someone will write for example at german or spanish or italian in public, non language dedicated place. It will definitely be not ok for you. -
The "Qt Russian Translation Team":http://www.forum.crossplatform.ru/index.php?showtopic=465 will begin translation of Qt 4.7.x docs in few days. Some of mentioned articles are already translated for 4.6.x and below, see "here":http://doc.crossplatform.ru/. So translation of the article's names is not so bad idea. Also we have glossary file were name terms has adequate translation, not source-language calques and loanwords (currently it is not available for public for technical reasons, but you can find our discussions "here":http://www.forum.crossplatform.ru/index.php?showtopic=475 and "here":http://www.prog.org.ru/topic_9757_0.html). We try to make our translation as much easy as we can without loosing its sense. English terms in russian article is nonsence because they make artickle harder to read.
Adaptation is good thing, but you mustn't use it very freely. Adequate translation of terms instead of language calques and loanwords can do much more for adaptation then using synonyms of the common words.P.S. It would be helpful if there were a official "translation guide" from trolls, because ours opinions are very different and it seems that we can't come to agreement. Also looks like that we can't merge our translations without authoritative judges.
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kagami, just a note about translations and non-using calques. Have you read russian translation of GoF? Where all patterns are translated and it makes further real-life usage of them really hard. To discuss it with others you have to find original name (which is calque but it is standard) just because others use english names, not russian.
Such situation is here too. For example "eventloop" word. It should be put into parentheses inside translation because it is simply a keyword to search in google and in assistant.
And there are no authoritative judges here. We should decide by ourselves what translation should we use as basement of future perfect article.About translation for links in read more section. It is ok to translate them if they will link to translated articles, I'm agreed with you here.
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kagami, so you want user to read additional not related with context list of terms instead of just reading them in context? IMHO second will be better for remembering for further usage.
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kagami, oh, I don't know anybody who will find this very first tutorial when he will try to find some more info (e.g. after two months after reading) what he should to do for example with eventloop. In this case english terms are useful because reader saw them and visual memory can help him in his problem.
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That's all folks! Poll is closed. We've started at merging part with kagami. Will inform you when something new will be known.