Why the need of non-english discussions?

goetz · wrote on 28 Dec 2010, 23:27

Only the regional forums have non-English content. The other forums are strictly in English, so this would not be a big problem.

fcrochik · wrote on 28 Dec 2010, 23:48

Is this spelled out anywhere? I don't see in the rules.

Now that you said, it actually makes sense to me so we don't have too much "fragmentation/duplication" of the contents.

fcrochik · wrote on 28 Dec 2010, 23:57

I just created "a new thread":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/2870/ suggesting to remove the group forum threads from the "posts since last visit". I think it could be a work around until a longer term solution can be found.

goetz · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 00:03

It's not spelled out explicitly, but part of common use :-) Before we had groups there was only english content in the forum (the wiki had translations already). This rule still applies but the groups owners can decide to allow native languages in their forums too. So the main forums are readable by all users, the non-english content is mainly in the regional forums (and therefore needs not tagged/marked specially, IMHO). Once the forum subscription is live (see Marius' comment "here":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewreply/16328/) we can opt out for the content we do not understand.

lrazo · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 01:37

However I think that there are people not interested in regional issues so, maybe they are not interesting for readers of other countries, for example a discussion in Russian about how to receive the Nokia's OVI store payments in Russia describing all the legal issues and taxes features. If you're living outside Russia maybe you won't be interested at all in these kind of regional topics.

So, I think is OK the different languages an multi-regions in the forum. Personally for me it's great to get in touch with different idioms because I'm learning not only a programming language.

qtrahul · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 05:12

One suggestion : We can use Google Translate to convert any language in different one.

kamalakshantv · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 08:14

[quote author="qtrahul" date="1293599574"]One suggestion : We can use Google Translate to convert any language in different one.[/quote]

It can be helpful, but it isn't really that good. Some time it messes up the meaning.

sfilippidis · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 08:23

[quote author="Luca" date="1293006598"]Hi all,
I'm an italian developer and sometimes my english has some errors but I think that writing in italian deny non-italian users to understand it.

Now I see a lot of topic in a lot of languages that I can't understand. In this way I can't support then discussion or I can't be helped by the discussion .

What do you think about?[/quote]

In my opinion, there are "cons" and "pros" from the existence of non-english "sub-forums" in the forum. One positive aspect is that more not fluent english speakers will join the forum. :)

sfilippidis · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 08:25

[quote author="QtK" date="1293610466"]
[quote author="qtrahul" date="1293599574"]One suggestion : We can use Google Translate to convert any language in different one.[/quote]

It can be helpful, but it isn't really that good. Some time it messes up the meaning.[/quote]

I agree with QtK! It is a good tool, but one has to be very cautious about how they will interpret the results of the translation.

kamalakshantv · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 08:31

Also if the solution was that easy - Alexandra won't get to do "fishing":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/blog/view/done_fishing. Also translators won't get those cool t-shirts.

CreMindES · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 11:11

Volker is right, there are non-English stuff only in the regional forums, which is right, everywhere else there is only and just English content in the forum. As it is said in the "Tagging wiki":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Tagging everyone should tag with "language:code" every non-English material, so it's already filtered out. It's just a little scripting no to hide it from the new posts, I don't get really this big problem about this...

goetz · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 13:08

[quote author="lrazo" date="1293586641"]However I think that there are people not interested in regional issues so, maybe they are not interesting for readers of other countries, for example a discussion in Russian about how to receive the Nokia's OVI store payments in Russia describing all the legal issues and taxes features. If you're living outside Russia maybe you won't be interested at all in these kind of regional topics.[/quote]

The Trolls already take care of this problem, see Marius' answer on page one of this thread! Did you read it? It is already agreed upon! And now give them some time to implement things, please!

CreMindES · wrote on 29 Dec 2010, 13:22

You are right, they do their best :) That's why I didn't get this big posting :)

mgran · wrote on 30 Dec 2010, 11:12

Back on topic, here is an interesting perspective on our reliance on English, this infographic is from http://thenextweb.com/asia/2010/12/21/chinese-the-new-dominant-language-of-the-internet-infographic/

Qt is big in China, we have a "dedicated office":http://qt.nokia.com/about/nokia-qt-offices and a dedicated "Qt community site":http://qt.csdn.net/ there. If I were going to learn a new language I would seriously consider Chinese. :)

!http://thenextweb.com/asia/files/2010/12/TNW_internetlanguages_vs4.jpeg(infographic)!

sfilippidis · wrote on 30 Dec 2010, 12:01

@_mariusg_: very interesting graph. Thanks for sharing.

CreMindES · wrote on 30 Dec 2010, 18:37

yeah, thanks mariusg :)