It would be better to autojoin my posts in discussion if they go successively
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BTW, I'd like that if someone else has already replied to your message, an automatic text like "This post was edited N times, last edit at date/time" is automatically appended to your post when you edit it (like many messageboards do). This simply avoids confusion in case someone replies to the "old version" of a post of yours, then you modify it => the discussion makes no sense any more.
The automatic text could appear near the signature, for instance.
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[quote author="maciek" date="1292600905"]General rule is that if you'd like to add something few minutes after posting, then you should edit your post. But if more time passes (for example the next day) then you should make a new post.[/quote]
Agreed. Should go in the FAQ / Etiquette / Guidelines :-)
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Auto-join is not so good, in my opinion. Sometimes it takes some time to respond, say you drop a message that you will investigate something and some time later come with your conclusion. If that two posts would join, it would read weird.
Also, what about notifications and their links? If you write a new answer, there a notification should be sent - but what's the content? The joined text or only the new?
I think, all that causes more headaches than it solves problems.
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[quote author="Volker" date="1292613860"]Auto-join is not so good, in my opinion. Sometimes it takes some time to respond, say you drop a message that you will investigate something and some time later come with your conclusion. If that two posts would join, it would read weird.
Also, what about notifications and their links? If you write a new answer, there a notification should be sent - but what's the content? The joined text or only the new?
I think, all that causes more headaches than it solves problems.[/quote]
All in all I agree with you. I see no difference between hitting "post reply" instead of "edit" and submitting new content. But I still think that a simple automatic message "This post has been updated on date/time" before the signature would be helpful (see my previous comment).
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[quote author="peppe" date="1292614924"]But I still think that a simple automatic message "This post has been updated on date/time" before the signature would be helpful (see my previous comment).
[/quote]I strongly support this suggestion. That would save some headaches if someone replies to the original, unchanged version.
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[quote author="Volker" date="1292613860"]
I think, all that causes more headaches than it solves problems.[/quote]To whom exactly? The user or the trolls?[quote author="peppe" date="1292614924"]
I see no difference between hitting "post reply" instead of "edit" and submitting new content.[/quote]There's a significant difference in size in the buttons. Also I find it quicker to write a new post than to edit an old one.QtCentre has a construction with joining posts which is partially discussed "here":http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/36362-Just-a-suggestion-remove-post (from wysota's second post on).
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[quote author="Franzk" date="1292616538"]There's a significant difference in size in the buttons. Also I find it quicker to write a new post than to edit an old one.[/quote]
I cannot agree more. But my suggestion regarding auto-join is close to what peppe suggested, as it there should be some label which shows that the text is a later addition (anyway this should have work with the edit button as well, just for avoiding misunderstanding).
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[quote author="Franzk" date="1292616538"][quote author="Volker" date="1292613860"]
I think, all that causes more headaches than it solves problems.[/quote]To whom exactly? The user or the trolls?
[/quote]Both. See my comments on notifications for an example.
I personally prefer deciding myself if I want a new post or if I want to edit an older post.
Also, as you cannot be sure that in the meantime someone has posted another comment, you will not know if you are creating a new comment or append to an old one once you hit the post button. So, an edit button is needed anyways.
And we coders do have a favor for deterministic behaviour, don't we? :-)
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[quote author="Volker" date="1292617562"]Also, as you cannot be sure that in the meantime someone has posted another comment, you will not know if you are creating a new comment or append to an old one once you hit the post button.[/quote]
If you want to add something to your former post (or correct a typo) for sure you have to use the edit button. If you just have a new idea, you can post reply and if you were the last one who posted you can be prompted to auto-join your posts (with an update label to separate the new comment). As I understand Alexander's original intention was something similar to this.
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[quote author="Franzk" date="1292616538"][quote author="peppe" date="1292614924"]
I see no difference between hitting "post reply" instead of "edit" and submitting new content.[/quote]There's a significant difference in size in the buttons. Also I find it quicker to write a new post than to edit an old one.
.[/quote]BEHOLD THE GIANT EDIT BUTTON!
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[quote author="VCsala" date="1292618467"]
[quote author="Volker" date="1292617562"]Also, as you cannot be sure that in the meantime someone has posted another comment, you will not know if you are creating a new comment or append to an old one once you hit the post button.[/quote]If you want to add something to your former post (or correct a typo) for sure you have to use the edit button. If you just have a new idea, you can post reply and if you were the last one who posted you can be prompted to auto-join your posts (with an update label to separate the new comment). As I understand Alexander's original intention was something similar to this.[/quote]
That's just proper etiquette.
BTW, now we're reaching tremendous bikeshredding levels here.
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I said about usability. For example I write message and then click button post reply. Page is reloaded and I see my message. After that I think of something else. I just write another message and click post reply. Both messages must be joined in one (only if they go successively!). But now instead this scenario I must click edit button, waiting while web page is being reloaded and after that I can edit my message and then click post reply. It is not convenient.
_Сode less. create more. _ :)
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Well, I agree with peppe & Volker (and my previous post :P). Think of two situations:
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You post your opinion and after 5 minutes you'd like to add something (and nobody has replied/posted after you). You press edit button, which took 5 seconds more than action with pressing "post reply" (c'mon 5 sec!) and edit your post - as a result you get edited post with "post was edited by x on y" adnotation.
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In popular (or even not popular) subforum there is discussion about some problem where only 2 (or few) users participate. User x writes that he/she have to test something to confirm problem/find solution. It may take from few hours to few days (or more). It'd be quite hard for other user to find the answer, because he's not getting notification e-mail or thread is on 2nd...nth page.
Maybe compromise would be autojoin if user posted in less then x minutes after original posting time.
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