Points and Wiki
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This discussion really makes me wish I had a few extra web dev guys and a spare week to really dig into making a point system that has higher ambitions than "good enough". I hope maybe we can distill our collective wisdom down to something that is fairly easy to implement (and scales). And go from there.
Thanks for all the comments on wiki and points, you guys are great, I hope all of you win in one week or the other this December :)
Off Topic: I logged on a minute ago and it showed 656 unread posts. My first thought was "oh dear, did the spammers get us?" Then I realized I was using another browser than usual, it hadn't been here for a few days :)
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[quote author="mariusg" date="1291505038"]Off Topic: I logged on a minute ago and it showed 656 unread posts. My first thought was "oh dear, did the spammers get us?" Then I realized I was using another browser than usual, it hadn't been here for a few days :)[/quote]
That could be a nice moment :)
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[quote author="Denis Kormalev" date="1291490292"]chetankjain, as I think something like 2-3 moderators per user. [/quote]
I thought the users were the moderators ;) Isn't that what ranks like Dinosaur Breeder->Mad Scientist are for?I really think the best system is one that doesn't disclose how the result was formed.
That is, you have X points but have no idea how you got them. You don't need to update the points in real-time either, as this encourages people to spam more when they see their points rise. You could have it update once a day. This encourages more responsible, calm, thoughtful posting, I think.
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Well they'd have a whole day not getting any points.
But the point is there can be complexity in this. Such as points based on views+rating with a maximum of X and only rewarded Y times and so on. No one would have enough time to completely learn the point system and the point system could change at any time (as it does).
Basically everyone would forget about gaining points and be more worried about gaining important posts.
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[quote author="tamhanna" date="1291537079"]
[quote author="xsacha" date="1291537009"]
Basically everyone would forget about gaining points and be more worried about gaining important posts.[/quote]Which is exactly what Ron has achieved over at FN...[/quote]
I agree to this that point system will always have some disadvantage if its automated. At FN administrators take pain to judge the quantity and quality of posts. So when results are announced everyone is happy. And even the spammer knows that he is at the wrong place.
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[quote author="tamhanna" date="1291558226"]
i'd say: Let's look at how active people will be after project elf is over.[/quote]
I don't think that's fair though because holidays are coming up. People are going to be leaving to go overseas and so on and might not be as active. I will be taking a two-week vacation and rarely using my laptop or phone, for instance.If anything, this Project Elf gives the admins here some real information about how people use the forums/wiki/faqs and how they react to the points system. It's a stress-test so to speak.
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[quote author="xsacha" date="1291558520"]People are going to be leaving to go overseas and so on and might not be as active. I will be taking a two-week vacation and rarely using my laptop or phone, for instance.
[/quote]So you feel that there wont be much action in the coming weeks during vacations even with project elf continuing.
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My vacation will be from end of december (Christmas) through new year in to Jan. I think Elf will have ended while I'm on vacation.
Most people will have that time off. And then back to work.
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[quote author="xsacha" date="1291558874"]My vacation will be from end of december (Christmas) through new year in to Jan. I think Elf will have ended while I'm on vacation.
Most people will have that time off. And then back to work.[/quote]
Right if the last week is not counted then 27th might be the day when last set of winners are announced.
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[quote author="xsacha" date="1291558520"]If anything, this Project Elf gives the admins here some real information about how people use the forums/wiki/faqs and how they react to the points system. It's a stress-test so to speak.[/quote]
You Sir, are as wise as the hills are old :)
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[quote author="mariusg" date="1291505038"]This discussion really makes me wish I had a few extra web dev guys and a spare week to really dig into making a point system that has higher ambitions than "good enough".[/quote]
That's always the way of it though - there's always more good (and usually even important!) stuff to do than there is time.
[quote author="tamhanna" date="1291587743"]And no, I am going to sleep. In fact, I already would sleep if it werent for two annoying comments from Volker.[/quote]
"Can't sleep...":http://xkcd.com/386
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closing this thread