Project Elf:)
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I think, currently system of tags adding or deleting is not good. Just for fun - It's very easy to write script, which will store in memory current tags on page, then delete tags from page and after that insert tags on page (for example under my account:) If I do it for all pages, I'll get very big rating and pull down rating of our top members:) For example, script can do only N pages per day (it will be invisible for you). It's simple way to get C7 :)))
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There is an effort going on here: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Tagging
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I suppose I can add a section for tag suggestions (for example for Jambi... though for that one I’m not really sure which name should be used, I suppose I’ll stickwith “qt jambi”) for a reference about tags that could be misleading? Different people will have different opinions about naming.
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Haha, I had thought about this before. Thought it was good no one had abused system.
Though it could explain why I get heaps of points at night when I'm offline?I like the idea of consistent tags but don't rely on the user to do this.
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xsacha, if you are talking about last two days then this points are bonus december points.
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Oh, I just figured this wasn't working yet. So score doubles overnight :) That explains how the scores are shooting up so fast.
Just to clarify on the consistent tags:
If someone tries to tag a word, it looks up all terms that mean the same thing for that word in the system . Then it chooses the standard tag word and adds this to the list.
Later when someone searches a tag word, it uses the same method to find the tag (convert to standard name and find).In fact, you could go over the tag database with a script (once the synonym library is done) to ensure old tags are standardised too.
Example:
I add tag 'visual studio' and system adds 'msvc'
Later someone searches for 'microsoft vc++' and it recognises it as 'msvc' and finds all related to this. -
xsacha, good suggestion (and extremely useful, yes) and AFAIR it was discussed something like 2 or 3 months ago, but don't remember results of discussion.
Marius, what do you think? -
[quote author="mariusg" date="1291382754"]This way you would get 0 points in our system. You might think you get points for doing that (the front end will show +2 points), but our nightly script will reassign the points to the original tagger.
Sorry :)[/quote]
Ok lets take this hypothetically forward .. suppose someone write code to run all the pages, collect all the tags -- then say manually finds their substitute or replaces them in his/her DB (e.g. MSVC becomes ms vis studio) ... and then in batches replaces them on the devnet pages... does the devnet nightly script still figure this out ...
disclaimer: this is only hypothetical and I am not responsibile if someone actually decides to try something :P heh heh
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[quote author="tamhanna" date="1291433029"]This sounds like a workable idea to me.
I will prolly add a few tags by hand tonight, but I see little value in tags as I never use them myself.[/quote]
I've found tags quite useful while searching for old threads in the forum ...
also, suggest if you can quote the author before saying "this sounds like a workable idea" ... i'm still wondering if you replied that to my hypothetical idea of hacking or to some earlier reply in this thread ;-)
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[quote author="tamhanna" date="1291434507"]I meant the script idea, which indeed is funny to say the least!
Tam[/quote]
I would recommend not to ... if you theoretically think its possible, then lets leave it at that :) -
[quote author="mariusg" date="1291382754"]This way you would get 0 points in our system. You might think you get points for doing that (the front end will show +2 points), but our nightly script will reassign the points to the original tagger.[/quote]
How long is the original tagger kept for? If I remove all 'qml' tags before tonight and then add them after your script runs. What happens? It still keeps record of original tagger for next nights script? -
in the early days of "non double" points, only a Hobby Entomologist or above had the right to remove tags, so do you expect some responsible actions by the serious user who had to get over 500+ points to reach to that level ..
and even if someone does try this, I think the admins can find out if abnormal number of tags are being deleted and added back, it can always be found out and be rolled back and the user be banned for good. definitely user shouldn't qualify for elf project ;)
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Didn't mean to offend. I know you're after points. I just meant I hoped your magazine would be real but knew better - there's not enough subscribers to make it worthwhile. From the thread it seems like it won't happen. You mentioned you'd need to cut back editions because people are unwilling to pay a lot - this means not worth doing. And yes, I saw your website yesterday - you keep posting it, how could I miss it? :)
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[quote author="xsacha" date="1291435534"]How long is the original tagger kept for? If I remove all 'qml' tags before tonight and then add them after your script runs. What happens? It still keeps record of original tagger for next nights script?[/quote]
The original tagger of a tag on a content item is saved securely in the database for as long as that person is a member.